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Are We Feeling Liberated Yet? - Trump thread #141

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Spandauer · 03/04/2025 19:23

King Donald has bigly new tariffs, First Lady Elmo turns out to be ballot box poison and 'Pick Me Girl' Vance is a meanie to the EU.

(But at least the penguins on the Heard and McDonald Islands are wearing suits)

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Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 17:51

Spandauer · 15/04/2025 17:40

Alarming. 'Within minutes after DOGE accessed the NLRB's systems, someone with an IP address in Russia started trying to log in, according to ' disclosure. The attempts were "near real-time," according to the disclosure.'
https://bsky.app/profile/shashj.bsky.social/post/3lmueveoiek2f

www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5355896/doge-nlrb-elon-musk-spacex-security

What are the implications of this? Feels like a serious security issue!

RafaistheKingofClay · 15/04/2025 17:58

Spandauer · 15/04/2025 17:21

More winning.

The Chinese government has told the country's domestic airlines to stop accepting deliveries of Boeing jets as a trade war between the world's two largest economies escalates, Bloomberg News reports.

China is also instructing its carriers to stop buying airline parts and other components from U.S. companies, according to Bloomberg, which cited people familiar with the situation.

www.cbsnews.com/news/china-boeing-orders-halt-to-jet-deliveries-bloomberg-trump-tariffs/

Tbf there are probably other reasons not to buy Boeing jets other than a trade war. Being able to get from A to B without bits falling off for a start.

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 18:11

Oh yay Bullshit Barbie is on again 🥱 think I’ve seen this episode before and didn’t like it…..

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Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 15/04/2025 18:17

Spandauer · 15/04/2025 17:32

I'll set one up... pithy titles may be difficult at the moment.

We can/must tag team staying positive - I've been flagging lately.

No Get Out of Jail Free cards left for anyone, they’re all made in China. (Or something along those lines?)

You won’t get any positivity from me, @Spandauer, no Siree, I’m sorry, I’m all out of positive. Horrified, shocked, scandalised, terrified, yes, I can do all of those.

Coffeetwosugars · 15/04/2025 18:18

PickAChew · 15/04/2025 17:38

I expect a reference to Black Mirror is probably a little too negative, then.

"who sponsored your Easter egg"?

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Just started watching the new season. Love it. Unfortunately there's been so many moments, over the last 5 years in particular, where I feel like we are living in a Black Mirror episode.
My partner is currently refusing to watch it with me as he claims that real life is depressing enough...

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 15/04/2025 18:23

Please let Wes Streeting not trade more of our NHS to the orange tyrant, and not agree to take the chlorinated chicken.

Talkinpeace · 15/04/2025 18:26

I have US family coming over to visit soon.

I wonder what they will make of the Barry the Bugler story from Newquay
(look it up, its happy)

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 18:34

My dear friend from Florida is travelling to the UK shortly for a wedding. He plans to work remotely whilst here and his company has recommended he travel with a burner phone in case he’s stopped at immigration on the way back in.

RafaistheKingofClay · 15/04/2025 18:36

I don’t see the Labour Party agreeing to chlorinated chicken. Hoping I’m not wrong.

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Spandauer · 15/04/2025 18:44

New thread:
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Spandauer · 15/04/2025 18:49

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 18:11

Oh yay Bullshit Barbie is on again 🥱 think I’ve seen this episode before and didn’t like it…..

Being trolled by the Chinese.

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MsJinks · 15/04/2025 18:52

I hope there's not a chance chlorinated chicken gets here - let alone NHS being traded. I always thought it was the only fortunate thing about Trump/Tories that they weren't in power at the same time post Brexit and do some awful trade deal that included their food. It would obviously be even worse now.
I do understand that we are trying to keep peaceful with our 'special friend' and not doing so could hurt badly in many ways, but really I think we ought to not get over friendly and choose our future major alliances elsewhere- can't see USA rowing back to normality anytime soon myself.

Wallaw · 15/04/2025 19:20

Wouldn't taking American chicken be a big blow to UK agriculture? It seems like there would be a shooting ourselves in the foot element to it.

Funny thing, but we eat a lot of chicken, but when we're at our house in the US, we almost never buy it except from the farmers' market because I don't trust even the non-chlorinated organic commercial chicken there. And the eggs are a pale facsimile of the ones we get here.

Plus, who wants a chicken that's travelled 3000 miles? It would be a terrible thing to cave on.

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 19:24

Wallaw · 15/04/2025 19:20

Wouldn't taking American chicken be a big blow to UK agriculture? It seems like there would be a shooting ourselves in the foot element to it.

Funny thing, but we eat a lot of chicken, but when we're at our house in the US, we almost never buy it except from the farmers' market because I don't trust even the non-chlorinated organic commercial chicken there. And the eggs are a pale facsimile of the ones we get here.

Plus, who wants a chicken that's travelled 3000 miles? It would be a terrible thing to cave on.

The thing is the chlorine wash in itself isn’t massively unhealthy from what I can gather, the problem is it’s used to hide meat being less than at its best. Some of the meat sold as fresh wouldn’t pass food quality standards for the EU.

Wallaw · 15/04/2025 19:30

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 19:24

The thing is the chlorine wash in itself isn’t massively unhealthy from what I can gather, the problem is it’s used to hide meat being less than at its best. Some of the meat sold as fresh wouldn’t pass food quality standards for the EU.

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Yes, it's because it allows them to raise the birds cheaply in hideous, unsanitary and inhumane conditions.

And, this is honestly true - when we're there and I see friends and relatives preparing chicken, they basically swab down the kitchen after like they're preparing an operating theatre.

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 19:37

Wallaw · 15/04/2025 19:30

Yes, it's because it allows them to raise the birds cheaply in hideous, unsanitary and inhumane conditions.

And, this is honestly true - when we're there and I see friends and relatives preparing chicken, they basically swab down the kitchen after like they're preparing an operating theatre.

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Oh that’s just horrid 🤢

RafaistheKingofClay · 15/04/2025 19:53

Igotjelly · 15/04/2025 19:24

The thing is the chlorine wash in itself isn’t massively unhealthy from what I can gather, the problem is it’s used to hide meat being less than at its best. Some of the meat sold as fresh wouldn’t pass food quality standards for the EU.

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Yes. I think it’s the reason why it needs chlorinating that’s the issue. It’s not unusual to rinse salad in chlorine solution to prevent food poisoning. Most countries don’t rinse their chicken in chlorine solution because they don’t need to.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 15/04/2025 20:25

Drinking water contains chlorine. We consume it every day. It the cruelty and standards I object to.

TomPinch · 15/04/2025 21:51

logicisall · 15/04/2025 11:04

@TomPinch past gov'ts sold off or allowed too much to be sold. I feel that we need to start investigating the cost/benefits of re/nationalisation.

BA - owned by IAG (Qatar has a 25.1% stake).

Most major UK airports have foreign owners, with Gulf states, China, and Western investment funds dominating. Only Manchester and Stansted have significant UK public-sector involvement.

Our port infrastructure is largely foreign-owned, with significant control by Gulf and Chinese state-linked entities. Only a few major ports remain under full British control.

  • Middle East (UAE): DP World (London Gateway, Southampton).
  • China: COSCO/CIC (Felixstowe, Thamesport).
  • Singapore: PSA (Liverpool).
  • Canada: Brookfield (Hull).
  • Denmark: Maersk (Tilbury).
  • Netherlands: Dutch pension funds (Peel Ports).

ARM Holdings - the UK based semiconductor and chip design company is a company of strategic importance that was allowed to be sold to the Japanese in exchange for the committment that it remained HQ'ed in the UK and subject to national security reviews.

Don't get me started on the power companies. Listed in the UK but owned by foreign governments, private equity firms, and multinational corporations.

20/20 Hindsight vision is a wonderful thing.

I don't think private ownership of utilities or foreign ownership of businesses is in itself a bad idea as long as there's proper regulation and control. I also don't think it's the state's role to own a bunch of loss-making businesses. But there's a difference between allowing sensible foreign investment on the one hand and selling a country's last blast furnace to a dodgy outfit with links to a hostile government on the other. Just like there's a difference between allowing foreign investment into a water utility on the one hand and allowing corporate raiders to haul all the money out on the other. The laws existed to prevent it in each case. The system isn't the problem: it's that the Tories were asleep on the job / didn't give a shit. They weren't a competent right-wing government, they were just hopeless and clueless.

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Spandauer · 16/04/2025 10:13

Closing the thread

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Spandauer · 16/04/2025 10:13

Thanks everyone

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Spandauer · 16/04/2025 10:15

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