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Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums

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DuncinToffee · 31/03/2025 09:14

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DuncinToffee · 09/04/2025 17:16

Good luck everyone with your 👀

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SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 17:18

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 17:08

They mentioned a lazer home being made in future.

The thing I found oddest was when he numbed my eyeballs and had a lens against it and it was horrid but I could t feel it!

my eyes pressures were 16. 7 seems a lot lower. That sounds a good place to be!

The worst part was the anaesthetic being forced into the eyeball (which the anaesthetist did warn me about).

But overall, I've had worse dental work.

LlynTegid · 09/04/2025 18:08

Alexandra2001 · 09/04/2025 14:23

Well tbf that was because of capacity, if you ve a small duct with a 1000pr cable in it and 10% are faulty, and the cable is 85% utilised plus the main exchange as no more relays for switching, it takes a great deal of time to provide a line.

Shared lines? of course and dolly board operators, physically moving one line to another, a public service organisation based in Reading was still using this in their head office up until the 70s....

Digital Exchanges, like System X, fibre and then IP total transformed capacity and the mtce of lines and equipment.

These advances, lead by UK companies like Plessey and GEC transformed how telecoms was provided, as muuch if not more than privatisation, which of course relies very heavily, still, on the old BT, now OpenReach networks, exchanges and skills.

People have no idea the complexity of electro mechanical exchanges, the GPO used, the skills required to keep them working, might as well blame a typist because they cannot produce documents as fast as a Xerox can.

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Yet even with all these advances in communication, Openreach cannot give anyone a time to visit on weekdays that avoids school start and finish times. Two hour slots are perfectly feasible.

Discrimination against parents, especially lone parents, who happen to be more likely to be afro-carribean or white than any other ethnicity. People on low income jobs less likely to be those who can work from home.

PickAChew · 09/04/2025 18:13

Spandauer · 09/04/2025 17:15

Usually eye pressure under 20 is considered good but for some glaucoma patients damage continues unless it's kept down at 7/8/9 levels.

Hope you get your problem successfully sorted in July @itsgettingweird - the available treatments for eyes are fascinating I think!

Yeah, mine are about 18-19 and the optometrist didn't even remark on it. I only knew because it was on the referral letter for the YAG laser.

PandoraSox · 09/04/2025 18:27

Gosh, sorry for everyone struggling with eye stuff. I am really short sighted but so far that is all🤞

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats I really don't like that people are finding out that jobs might be at risk this way, it is really unsettling. So much for Labour being the party of the working person, eh?

Llttledrummergirl · 09/04/2025 18:53

Open reach are pissing me off at the moment. I keep getting emails saying things like, upgrading fibre in your area, we've arranged for an engineer to come on this date to rill a hole in your wall, enter your house (uninvited), for no apparent reason other than change.

If they gave a proper explanation, let me know how it will benefit me, ask if I want it, check my availability and engage in a proper conversation, then we might consider a request. While they are making demands they can fuck right off. BT should know from their records that they upgraded the box near our home before covid, told us they had installed fibre and asked if we wanted the better, faster Internet service. When we said yes, they put a hole through the wall with a new connection. They are rude to assume we are at their beck and call.

DuncinToffee · 09/04/2025 19:26

The 🍊has blinked

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MissMarplesNiece · 09/04/2025 19:43

"So much for Labour being the party of the working person, eh?"

Absolutely @PandoraSox . In Birmingham we've had Birmingham Council - Labour - threatening to make binmen redundant if they don't end their strike. We've also had Labour Councillors voting through budget measures, determined by a Tory Commissoner appointed by Michael Gove, that have cut services to the most vulnerable like elderly people and people with disabilities. The Councillors for my ward, both Labour, have not raised even a peep in protest. I've found it sickening.

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 20:01

Spandauer · 09/04/2025 17:15

Usually eye pressure under 20 is considered good but for some glaucoma patients damage continues unless it's kept down at 7/8/9 levels.

Hope you get your problem successfully sorted in July @itsgettingweird - the available treatments for eyes are fascinating I think!

Thanks.

it seems my problem is cluster headaches. I’ve now not had one for 2 weeks after having them 5 times a week for months.

You have to be free for 3 months before it’s considered remission.

Eye was just an incidental finding it seems and they were great at checking it out in case it meant something.

Foe now I just have primary angle closure suspect and dry eye! Let’s hope it stays that way for a good few years yet. I’m 44 so quite young for needing eye treatments!

PandoraSox · 09/04/2025 21:28

MissMarplesNiece · 09/04/2025 19:43

"So much for Labour being the party of the working person, eh?"

Absolutely @PandoraSox . In Birmingham we've had Birmingham Council - Labour - threatening to make binmen redundant if they don't end their strike. We've also had Labour Councillors voting through budget measures, determined by a Tory Commissoner appointed by Michael Gove, that have cut services to the most vulnerable like elderly people and people with disabilities. The Councillors for my ward, both Labour, have not raised even a peep in protest. I've found it sickening.

It is all so bloody disappointing. I accept that tough decisions need to be made, but some of it is really hard to stomach.

PickAChew · 10/04/2025 00:27

I see frog face is on the march. He made Stanley look untidy, today.

Nigel Farage claims council has 'failed residents' during North East visit

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nigel-farage-claims-durham-council-31381584#ICID=Android_ChronicleNewsApp_AppShare

Alexandra2001 · 10/04/2025 09:10

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 15:46

It wasn't the technology that sucked.

it was the entire organisation behind it. Because no matter how shit the service you provided, you kept your job and your company could never go bust.

If the state is to run services, it needs to do so without that attitude creeping back in.

That said no one has ever explained why I can't chose my water supplier. And until they can (if they can) then there is never any reason for any utility to be privately run.

I refer all back to my "be bold" comment.

Pre digitisation, PBX's and exchanges were mechanical, they were huge, with limits on capacity, very labour intensive.
Also cabling plans never expected such a boom in demand, so your 1 line order, could mean extra cabling and additions to the main exchange, all taking many people and time.

Tech got rid of all of this, one person, can now look after several main exchanges, backed up with remote service centres... one fibre cable can carry 1000s of calls and internet traffic, its also very much more reliable.

A box the size of a small thin suitcase, can now provide 10k plus lines, which are all IP based.

Yes of course there was inefficiencies, in any organisation there will be but delays in getting a line was basically down to lack of capacity.

I started in comms as BT was formed, i saw the explosion in tech and the huge numbers of companies that went into telecoms, the waste, duplication, slope shouldering and shear incompetence was and still is mind blowing.

Look at Energy & Hinkley or Rail and HS2? efficient they most certainly are not.

BTW i'm not saying that privatising the GPO was a bad thing, probaly one of the few things that should have been but the idea it has automatically led to some explosion in efficiency is just plain wrong, its this thinking that has led to all the other privatisations that have fucked up the UK..

On the GPO, look at Hull? they weren't sold at the time, yet Kingston Comms became hugely successful, run by the local council... only fucked up when Prescott ordered its sale.

R4 have been running a good program on Thatcher/Redwood on how and why they privatised or imho, sold out the UK, as Macmillan said at the time "We are selling the family silver, once its gone, its gone for ever"

DuncinToffee · 10/04/2025 09:23

Nige is having a hard time, he wants chlorinated chicken whilst his brexit benefit (10% tariff) has disappeared.

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countrygirl99 · 10/04/2025 09:28

DuncinToffee · 10/04/2025 09:23

Nige is having a hard time, he wants chlorinated chicken whilst his brexit benefit (10% tariff) has disappeared.

My first thought when I saw the 90 day announcement was "there goes the Brexit benefit". Given I was planning to sort out my pension annuity imminently and we'd decided to pause our house downsizing plans until next year because the uncertainty is bound to impact the market, and I have @ £40k of shares in a US co that was a former employer it really shouldn't have been. But it was.

Evenstar · 10/04/2025 09:31

I was pleased to see Farage having an appropriate welcome to Lancashire 🤣

Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums
cardibach · 10/04/2025 10:46

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 15:46

It wasn't the technology that sucked.

it was the entire organisation behind it. Because no matter how shit the service you provided, you kept your job and your company could never go bust.

If the state is to run services, it needs to do so without that attitude creeping back in.

That said no one has ever explained why I can't chose my water supplier. And until they can (if they can) then there is never any reason for any utility to be privately run.

I refer all back to my "be bold" comment.

The ‘can never lose your job ’ thing is always thrown at public sector. It isn’t necessarily so. People say it about teachers, but any teacher (particularly older, more expensive ones) will tell you exactly how easy it is for a head to manage someone out or declare them incompetent and sack them (even if they aren’t incompetent).

Edit: plus I don’t see the heads of crap water companies getting the sack (or even reduced bonuses).

SerendipityJane · 10/04/2025 12:29

The ‘can never lose your job ’ thing is always thrown at public sector.

True, it's much more nuanced that that. Generally you couldn't lose your job for incompetence (so not much has changed, really).

Indeed part of the trauma of the 80s were people who thought they had a job for life suddenly realising they didn't. Something that I was learning even before I took my O levels. So (once again) when I heard people in the 1990s saying there were unlikely to be jobs for life in the future, I realised (once again) how fucking stupid a lot of people seem to be.

Anyway, governments really shouldn't run businesses. They really aren't very good at it. Now that's not axiomatically an argument against state oversight of critical infrastructure. If you have the imagination and vision to address it.

cardibach · 10/04/2025 14:14

SerendipityJane · 10/04/2025 12:29

The ‘can never lose your job ’ thing is always thrown at public sector.

True, it's much more nuanced that that. Generally you couldn't lose your job for incompetence (so not much has changed, really).

Indeed part of the trauma of the 80s were people who thought they had a job for life suddenly realising they didn't. Something that I was learning even before I took my O levels. So (once again) when I heard people in the 1990s saying there were unlikely to be jobs for life in the future, I realised (once again) how fucking stupid a lot of people seem to be.

Anyway, governments really shouldn't run businesses. They really aren't very good at it. Now that's not axiomatically an argument against state oversight of critical infrastructure. If you have the imagination and vision to address it.

Governments shouldn’t run businesses, fine. Water, power, infrastructure - shouldn’t be businesses. We don’t need someone taking profit from essential services.

LittleBowSheep · 10/04/2025 16:17

Thought I'd share my good news with you all, if you don't mind.

I've received my Irish passport in the post this morning!!! So pleased to have regained my freedom of movement (and also to stick two fingers up at Brexit).

PandoraSox · 10/04/2025 16:27

LittleBowSheep · 10/04/2025 16:17

Thought I'd share my good news with you all, if you don't mind.

I've received my Irish passport in the post this morning!!! So pleased to have regained my freedom of movement (and also to stick two fingers up at Brexit).

Oh, you lucky thing! Congratulations, very jealous.

pointythings · 10/04/2025 16:33

LittleBowSheep · 10/04/2025 16:17

Thought I'd share my good news with you all, if you don't mind.

I've received my Irish passport in the post this morning!!! So pleased to have regained my freedom of movement (and also to stick two fingers up at Brexit).

Congratulations!! I wave my Dutch passport at you in salutation.

BIWI · 10/04/2025 16:42

Congratulations!

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 10/04/2025 16:42

Not a chance of an EU passport in the Grumpy household 😭
I'm very jealous of those of you who have.

And congratulations obviously.

DuncinToffee · 10/04/2025 16:53

Congrats LittleBowO'Sheep!

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DuncinToffee · 10/04/2025 16:55

Gove is to receive a peerage in Sunak's resignation honours list

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