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Thread 21 Starmer - Casting Nasturtiums

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DuncinToffee · 31/03/2025 09:14

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MissMarplesNiece · 09/04/2025 10:12

BIossomtoes · 09/04/2025 09:47

I thought that was always the intention, along with water and rail.

I don't remember them saying they would renationalise water, although I think it would be a popular move.

I don't think any of our national infrastructure - water, electricity, gas, rail, Royal Mail etc, should be in private hands.

BIossomtoes · 09/04/2025 10:18

I’m currently reading Get In which covers Starmer’s leadership win and the events before last year’s election. Renationalisation was an aspiration according to the authors but I don’t remember if it made it to the manifesto.

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 10:26

MissMarplesNiece · 09/04/2025 10:12

I don't remember them saying they would renationalise water, although I think it would be a popular move.

I don't think any of our national infrastructure - water, electricity, gas, rail, Royal Mail etc, should be in private hands.

Neither do I.

I think vital services should always be in the hands of government.

They are the basis of a functioning society.

Zonder · 09/04/2025 11:43

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 10:26

Neither do I.

I think vital services should always be in the hands of government.

They are the basis of a functioning society.

I agree too.

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 12:19

Zonder · 09/04/2025 11:43

I agree too.

The problem with that approach - if you're not careful - is you end up with inefficiencies borne of a monopoly.

I can remember when it took 6 months to get a phone line fitted. If you were lucky.; Don't forget some had to share lines.

This is because with the GPO having a monopoly there was zero incentive to provide a decent service.

However since we are getting a (literally) shit service from the water companies, that argument may not carry too much weight.

Notonthestairs · 09/04/2025 12:44

I don't disagree Serendipity but that will also depend on how far any Government is prepared to turn the screw on management in the event of poor services.

Getting crap and expensive services seems the worst of all worlds.

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 13:08

Notonthestairs · 09/04/2025 12:44

I don't disagree Serendipity but that will also depend on how far any Government is prepared to turn the screw on management in the event of poor services.

Getting crap and expensive services seems the worst of all worlds.

This is also true.

Private water companies are a great example.

Shareholders being paid over providing affordable service for something like water - which is required for life.

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 13:54

Maybe I am jaundiced.

Did you know that no matter how bad - if it is provided at all - a council service is, you have zero redress in law.

Let me restate that.

You could pay £4,000 a year in council tax, and even if you then had to pay to light your street, empty your bins and so on, you would have no actionable cause in law.

I know. I have asked.

Cheguevarahamster · 09/04/2025 14:18

Notonthestairs · 09/04/2025 12:47

Don’t know how accessible this will be but a Private Eye review of Telegraph headlines made me laugh.
very Dad’s Army

https://bsky.app/profile/privateeyenews.bsky.social/post/3lmel4jrj3k2u

We Are Doomed Reaction GIF

We're DOOMED!

At least the Telegraph is being very green with its headlines.

Alexandra2001 · 09/04/2025 14:23

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 12:19

The problem with that approach - if you're not careful - is you end up with inefficiencies borne of a monopoly.

I can remember when it took 6 months to get a phone line fitted. If you were lucky.; Don't forget some had to share lines.

This is because with the GPO having a monopoly there was zero incentive to provide a decent service.

However since we are getting a (literally) shit service from the water companies, that argument may not carry too much weight.

Well tbf that was because of capacity, if you ve a small duct with a 1000pr cable in it and 10% are faulty, and the cable is 85% utilised plus the main exchange as no more relays for switching, it takes a great deal of time to provide a line.

Shared lines? of course and dolly board operators, physically moving one line to another, a public service organisation based in Reading was still using this in their head office up until the 70s....

Digital Exchanges, like System X, fibre and then IP total transformed capacity and the mtce of lines and equipment.

These advances, lead by UK companies like Plessey and GEC transformed how telecoms was provided, as muuch if not more than privatisation, which of course relies very heavily, still, on the old BT, now OpenReach networks, exchanges and skills.

People have no idea the complexity of electro mechanical exchanges, the GPO used, the skills required to keep them working, might as well blame a typist because they cannot produce documents as fast as a Xerox can.

Zonder · 09/04/2025 15:41

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 12:19

The problem with that approach - if you're not careful - is you end up with inefficiencies borne of a monopoly.

I can remember when it took 6 months to get a phone line fitted. If you were lucky.; Don't forget some had to share lines.

This is because with the GPO having a monopoly there was zero incentive to provide a decent service.

However since we are getting a (literally) shit service from the water companies, that argument may not carry too much weight.

It's exactly the situation with the water companies that made me more passionate about privatisation. All that profit to the shareholders while the country's waterways are poisoned.

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 15:46

Alexandra2001 · 09/04/2025 14:23

Well tbf that was because of capacity, if you ve a small duct with a 1000pr cable in it and 10% are faulty, and the cable is 85% utilised plus the main exchange as no more relays for switching, it takes a great deal of time to provide a line.

Shared lines? of course and dolly board operators, physically moving one line to another, a public service organisation based in Reading was still using this in their head office up until the 70s....

Digital Exchanges, like System X, fibre and then IP total transformed capacity and the mtce of lines and equipment.

These advances, lead by UK companies like Plessey and GEC transformed how telecoms was provided, as muuch if not more than privatisation, which of course relies very heavily, still, on the old BT, now OpenReach networks, exchanges and skills.

People have no idea the complexity of electro mechanical exchanges, the GPO used, the skills required to keep them working, might as well blame a typist because they cannot produce documents as fast as a Xerox can.

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It wasn't the technology that sucked.

it was the entire organisation behind it. Because no matter how shit the service you provided, you kept your job and your company could never go bust.

If the state is to run services, it needs to do so without that attitude creeping back in.

That said no one has ever explained why I can't chose my water supplier. And until they can (if they can) then there is never any reason for any utility to be privately run.

I refer all back to my "be bold" comment.

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 15:54

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 15:46

It wasn't the technology that sucked.

it was the entire organisation behind it. Because no matter how shit the service you provided, you kept your job and your company could never go bust.

If the state is to run services, it needs to do so without that attitude creeping back in.

That said no one has ever explained why I can't chose my water supplier. And until they can (if they can) then there is never any reason for any utility to be privately run.

I refer all back to my "be bold" comment.

I see where you’re coming from.

Im still in favour of nationalisation but can see the potential floors in it if not done properly.

In other news having just returned from a glaucoma check up I can confirm I don’t have it!!! I have primary narrow angle suspect. Basically narrow angles which could cause issues at a later date but currently my eyes are healthy (although still anaesthetised and I have dry eye!).

So it seems like the pain I get is neuraligia based and I await the neurologist apt which has now been put back until July!

I don’t feel young very often nowadays but I did at the eye clinic 😂

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 09/04/2025 15:57

This might impact me. Thought it was a risk when I heard the NHS England announcement. (I work for an ALB)
Oh fuck.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hundreds-of-quangos-to-be-examined-for-potential-closure-as-government-takes-back-control

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 16:04

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 15:54

I see where you’re coming from.

Im still in favour of nationalisation but can see the potential floors in it if not done properly.

In other news having just returned from a glaucoma check up I can confirm I don’t have it!!! I have primary narrow angle suspect. Basically narrow angles which could cause issues at a later date but currently my eyes are healthy (although still anaesthetised and I have dry eye!).

So it seems like the pain I get is neuraligia based and I await the neurologist apt which has now been put back until July!

I don’t feel young very often nowadays but I did at the eye clinic 😂

Got my other trab next week.

Here's hoping.

PickAChew · 09/04/2025 16:04

Eye rubbishness sympathy, @itsgettingweird -I'm getting one of mine blasted with a laser in a few weeks because I have the joy of aftercateract. I've not been able to enjoy the sunshine at all because of it. Glad of a cloudy day, even if it is cold. I also have the dubious benefit of free eye tests, now, as my DF has been diagnosed with glaucoma.

PickAChew · 09/04/2025 16:11

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 09/04/2025 15:57

This might impact me. Thought it was a risk when I heard the NHS England announcement. (I work for an ALB)
Oh fuck.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hundreds-of-quangos-to-be-examined-for-potential-closure-as-government-takes-back-control

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I hope you come out of that unscathed. It is a worry for people working for them, though I can see why it's being done. Hopefully not DOGE style.

It could affect DH indirectly but it's more likely to simply change who they bid for work from. They try to keep irons in other fires by working for other countries, too.

Spandauer · 09/04/2025 16:50

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 16:04

Got my other trab next week.

Here's hoping.

Commiserations @SerendipityJane - fellow double Trabeculectomy patient here!

Mine were both done on NHS during the Covid period and ops and aftercare were exemplary.

Good luck! 👀

placemats · 09/04/2025 16:57

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/07/keir-starmer-rachel-reeves-upbeat-amid-he-who-cannot-be-named

Not sure this has been posted but again comms are not great.

Personally I cannot stand he who shall not be named, find his face and voice triggering, but I'm not an MP and in high seats of Governance.

ETA it's another excellent article from John Crace.

Keir and Rachel stay upbeat amid chaos caused by He Who Cannot Be Named | John Crace

Right now, Starmer and the rest of the world are being played by The Donald

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/07/keir-starmer-rachel-reeves-upbeat-amid-he-who-cannot-be-named

SerendipityJane · 09/04/2025 17:02

Spandauer · 09/04/2025 16:50

Commiserations @SerendipityJane - fellow double Trabeculectomy patient here!

Mine were both done on NHS during the Covid period and ops and aftercare were exemplary.

Good luck! 👀

Aw, thanks.

It was COVID that did for some of my sight ... missed appointments (although whether they could have led to surgery is questionable) tell their own tale. At least I'm alive.

Anyway the first one went flawlessly. If I hadn't been awake during the op, I may well have wondered if they did the op - zero pain and zero side effects. Just a stable pressure of 7.

When the other eye is done, the Holy Grail is no eye drops at all. Medication free for the first time in nearly 25 years.

Freaked the surgeon out by replaying the conversation verbatim he had in the 90 minutes. Including all the comings and goings ("Why were you counting to 4 with your colleague who came in a few minutes after ?". "What machine were you discussing with your colleague that is a 'Nice piece of kit' ?" 😀

Given how difficult medication will be to source these next few months, looks like a perfect time to come off them.

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 17:04

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 09/04/2025 15:57

This might impact me. Thought it was a risk when I heard the NHS England announcement. (I work for an ALB)
Oh fuck.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hundreds-of-quangos-to-be-examined-for-potential-closure-as-government-takes-back-control

Edited

How worrying for you.

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 17:08

They mentioned a lazer home being made in future.

The thing I found oddest was when he numbed my eyeballs and had a lens against it and it was horrid but I could t feel it!

my eyes pressures were 16. 7 seems a lot lower. That sounds a good place to be!

DuncinToffee · 09/04/2025 17:14

Let's hope she means it

Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said that Donald Trump’s global trade war has made it even more “imperative” for the UK to improve post-Brexit trading relations with the EU, ahead of a key summit next month."

www.ft.com/content/f51a368a-ff9a-46d8-9ab5-58aa3ca7ecc4

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Spandauer · 09/04/2025 17:15

itsgettingweird · 09/04/2025 17:08

They mentioned a lazer home being made in future.

The thing I found oddest was when he numbed my eyeballs and had a lens against it and it was horrid but I could t feel it!

my eyes pressures were 16. 7 seems a lot lower. That sounds a good place to be!

Usually eye pressure under 20 is considered good but for some glaucoma patients damage continues unless it's kept down at 7/8/9 levels.

Hope you get your problem successfully sorted in July @itsgettingweird - the available treatments for eyes are fascinating I think!

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