Is there any celeb you feel sorry for?

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Watching one of mg favourite films again, (Easy A) and it’s got Amanda Bynes in it.

I still feel so sorry for her. She was so talented and I loved her movies and it’s sad to see how she is now. I genuinely hope she gets all the help she needs

Billie was 19 when she married Chris Evans.

There were rumours circulating at the time that he actually saved her from hard drugs and purposefully got her out of that scene.

I hate to admit it, but at the time, based on Lewis alone, I would have married Lawrence Fox.

It's like I had a lucky escape 😂

Kelsey Grammar, how can one person go through so much trauma, he's so talented but clearly haunted by it. I watched a documentary about his sister, what she went through was horrific.

Only Fans, sadly.

I think there is a difference between compassion and genuinely feeling like they were treated badly.

I have compassion for Caroline Flack, having felt driven to attempt suicide myself. Her situation was however, all of her own making, much like Huw Edwards. It must have been a huge shock to their systems but whereas Huw was put in an appropriate place, she wasn’t. They were adults when they chose to become famous and in Caroline’s case for not really having a talent/profession.

I feel sorry for all those child stars, especially the ones that didn’t even make it after making money for the house of mouse. They must have this sunk cost fallacy about their childhoods which pushes them into extremes. I especially feel for the children of instagram influencer families, get ready for some awful stories in 5-10 years time.

She’s a radio and TV presenter and does that job very well, imagine being this vitriolic about a woman who is doing her job it makes no sense to me

Huw Edwards is a non repentant paedophile.

Caroline Flack was being taken to court for a domestic violence incident. She was being made an example of.

Huw Edwards still got his BBC wages.

Caroline Flack was sacked.

You can't compare a paedophile to an adult attacking an adult in a DV situation. I am in NO way minimising DV. Just the comparison with Huw is just awful.

They both were alleged to have committed crimes against other people, and they are both in the public eye.

I don’t feel sorry for CF, but I am compassionate to her circumstances, she could have been rehabilitated if she was under a section.

This is going back a long way: Christine Keeler, the maligned teenage "star" of the Profumo affair, which rocked the UK in 1963 when it was discovered she had been shagging both a Cabinet minister and a possible Russian spy. I met Christine in 1990 when she was in Australia for the movie Scandal, based on her memoir. She struck me as earnest and forthright, and I could see how those qualities would have been abused by people older and more sophisticated, starting with the stepfather who molested her. She'd done nothing illegal back in the '60s (nothing an average young woman wouldn't do today), yet her notoriety had followed her and she'd never been able to keep a regular job because of it. She'd changed her surname to Sloane, moved to Wales and found a job as a school dinner lady, but people recognised her, gossip got around and she was asked to leave. I felt so sorry for her. Meanwhile, her older, wealthy accusers continued with their comfortable lives.

I saw something similar happen with Monica Lewinsky. She's well educated, including a Masters from LSE, but the bad side of notoriety trashed the career she hoped for. Meanwhile, Bill Clinton makes a fortune on the celeb speaker round.

By the way, this sexed-up shit happens to ordinary, non-famous women, too. If someone wants to take you down, the sexual smear campaign is the oldest trick in the book.

Not comparing the people just their circumstances. They were both high profile television personalities who were accused of a crime.

HE is still here because he got help, CF didn’t so we don’t actually know the evidence.

Therefore I am compassionate to CF circumstances, even if I don’t feel sorry for her.

One was found guilty.

No alleged about Huw Edwards.

I do agree though that CF was mentally unwell and had been for some time, if not a long time.

Huw Edwards pleaded guilty to owning child sexual abuse images.

I don't want to think about him
He doesn't deserve a thought.

The only reason we don’t know about CF was because she died.

She was a 39 year old woman who was alleged to have assaulted her sleeping partner. The only person responsible for her behaviour is her. I don’t feel sorry for her. I can give a small amount of grace for the intoxication, but at 39 she was old enough and had enough life experience to know how to behave. She is not a victim.

But I am compassionate to the extreme fear and pain she would have felt at the time, having been there myself.

Princess charlene of Monaco. I remember watching the video of her crying on her wedding day. She always looks so strained and unhappy.

She didn't just die did she? She killed herself.

You said alleged including both in your post.

Well one wasn't alleged.

I'm not arguing the toss with you. I'm surprised to hear that you think you understand having been there yourself as none of your posts show any empathy.

You've shown more empathy to a smug paedophile with no lack of remorse than you have a female with MH issues who's remorse ultimately ended her life.

I'm moving on from trying to see how you cannot see a difference between these two.

Liam Neeson, losing Natasha in awful circumstances.

Louis Tomlinson, losing his mum and sister so close together, then his band mate Liam Payne.

Chris Kamara, the Apraxia. Although he’s doing better it still must be hard for him to live with.

Katie Price (although May get flamed for this), despite her questionable decisions around men/money/her children/animal welfare - it’s obvious she is deeply mentally unwell and has severe body dysmorphia. I think childhood SA, thrown into fame, the pressures and toxicity of the glamour modelling industry, British tabloids, turbulent relationships and having a disable child - all whilst she was so young has definitely contributed to how she behaves and mutilates herself currently. I hope her daughters don’t follow in her footsteps.

I feel really sorry for Lauren Goodger from Towie. She's had a really hard time I think.

My posts do show empathy. Empathy is understanding how someone feels, without losing sight of the facts if the situation. Sympathy is when you feel the same emotions as someone else and so you do lose sight of reality.

Something about these posts are upsetting you. My comparison of CF and HE is to show how I can be compassionate to someone’s circumstances even if I disagree with their actions that got them there. They are my feelings based on my interpretation and understanding.

What is it about CFs death that makes you angry when I say I don’t think she is a victim?

Amber Heard. I think this was an example of a powerful man with money paying for media support and paying for the law to go his way.

I like the way she is now living away quietly with her child. I think she is a good Mum.
Similarly Meghan gets horrible press, but I don’t understand why they don’t try the quiet life too.

I still find the Duffy story completely strange as why didnt anyone report her missing? The story pops up every few years. Is she making it all up?

Don't try and project emotions on to me.

I picked you up originally on the fact that you said alleged.

From there, it has arrived at where we are now.

I'm not triggered. I'm not upset.

I'm actually chuckling now at your assumptions regarding my feelings and the faux psychology of asking what it is that's bothering me so much.

Nothing is bothering me, I simply do not understand you, or where you are coming from.
That's fine. You can write and reason to yourself (and me) all day if you want to, but I still won't understand your reasoning.
You have now started casting aspertions and projecting falsehoods on to me.
There is no point me engaging with you any further.
It's just a pointless exercise.

To simplify - head, meet brick wall, bang against.

Probably any of the child stars who seem to end up fucked up, was shocked recently to see a picture of Amanda Bynes

I agree with Meghan too, she doesn't deserve the hate she gets. Never seen anything like it, on MN anyway and the UK tabloids

They were teacup chihuahuas as far as I know.
Most of them already mentioned but also Judith Barsi. Murdered as an infant.