Thread 20 Starmer - Spring Statement

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Yep, she was very careful to outline what she meant by the world changing.

The unpleasant truth is the UK is well in hoc to the US. If for nothing other than the maintenance of our "independent" nuclear deterrent.

40 years ago, I had to put up with repeatedly being told that Trident (which I opposed replacing Polaris) could not be controlled by the US and that my suggestion that it was a vulnerability were poo-pooed.

Looks like France had it right after Suez - you can't rely on the US.

Many of you said ‘give Labour more time - let them show us what they are capable of’.

Well, you weren’t wrong there.

You are happy so who cares Must be strange to agree with a Labour government.

Today, I feel content, that’s true.

I cannot imagine that many of those hitherto in receipt of state largesse feel similarly, though.

Glad it makes you happy that people with severe disabilities will be so much poorer, @MyNameIsX

No, I am not supportive of withdrawing support for those genuinely in need, not at all.

The feckless and workshy, emphatically yes.

It's sad, isn't it? There such a large contingent of people in the UK who would rather stay poor as long as there are other people who are even poorer. They're only happy if they have someone to kick down at.

Ah yes, the 'genuine' card

Let's hope you stay healthy Twitter or what ever you were previously known as

Thank you.

Scrutiny of the welfare budget was well overdue, and its only right that ALL of us play our part in a fairer society.

The government estimates that about 800,000 people will lose out on disability benefits, also known as personal independence payments (Pips), with individuals set to lose an average of £4,500 a year by 2029-30.

Figures, published on Wednesday alongside Rachel Reeves’ Spring Statement, show about 370,000 people who are currently in receipt of disability benefits will no longer get them when they are reassessed. Close to half a million future claimants will no longer be entitled to them as well, it added.

Meanwhile, around 2.25mn people currently in receipt of incapacity benefits, known as universal credit health, will be impacted by the freeze on rates, losing on average £500 a year.

Additionally, three quarters of a million future recipients of the benefit will lose out on about £3,000 a year because of the government’s decision to slash the benefit entitlement in half for new claimants, it added.

Around a fifth of families with a disability in the household will lose out on benefits as a result of the reforms, averaging a loss of £1,730 per year, according to an analysis published by the government on Wednesday.

The changes will push about 250,000 people into relative poverty, defined as households whose income is below 60 per cent of the median, according to government estimates.

FT.

Withdrawing support from those genuinely in need is what is set to happen, though.

Anyone who uses feckless, workshy etc does not care.

Those of us who do will expect better from Labour and work towards that.

I wish you well in your endeavour, but I struggle to ascertain precisely how you plan to ‘work towards that’.

Welfare is the proverbial elephant, and Labour need to balance the books.

We simply cannot continue as we were - the tax payer will not accept it.

See also; Brexit.

Let's remind ourselves

I just don’t get the under 22 no LCWRA. Can anybody explain? Surely that will be a massive legal challenge. It is possible discrimination (?)

I’m a tax payer.

My ds is a taxpayer.

he gets disability PIP at enhanced rate.

I get some UC as I have an amount I can earn as a carer above the standard amount. It’s a small amount and I lose it some months as I do a second job.

So what should I accept as a tax payer? As apparently as a tax payer I shouldn’t accept the need for ds to get disability payments - he has a degenerative neuromuscular condition that’s a cousin of motor neurone disease btw.

I honestly was completely behind Labour and was very pleased they loved from the far left standpoint of previously.

But I think they have gone too far with this.

reform yes - everything should be reviewed to make sure it’s functioning at its best. But to change it completely meaning a huge number of people will loose disability benefits they’ve previously been entitled too - are these people suddenly going to get better and those problems disappear? Many many pip claimants work. Those who don’t - can’t

Yes I was interested in that.
apparently expected to be in work or training/education.
https://contact.org.uk/about-contact/news-and-views/your-questions-on-disability-welfare-reform-answered/

The changes will push about 250,000 people into relative poverty, defined as households whose income is below 60 per cent of the median, according to government estimates.

And you welcome this @MyNameIsX?

That’s disgusting.

Also that without Brexit, we would not have had Boris Johnson as Prime Minister. Almost anyone else would have responded to Covid such that there would have been fewer deaths and less of an economic impact.

The most sue with the training/ education thing has already been a “thing” for those who are disabled. Eg where they may have entitlement to education to 25.
So leave special education establishment school and go into education at a specialist provider. They then can’t claim UC as they are in full time education.
Ideally, you claim in the in between time before you start this. ( fine under UC regs)
The above probably only applies to those quite severely/ profoundly disabled.
These are people that should not miss benefits due to age restrictions. That is grossly unfair.

In my area full time provision post 18 for disabled young adults is patchy from what I can see. My child has guaranteed place 16-18 but whilst the EHCP is supposed to last until 25 provision doesn’t appear to match this.

DS2 will be going onto a college placement in September, having been full time in his school 6th form from 16-19 but that will be the statutory minimum 3 days a week. His SW is suggesting social care for the other weekdays but there is a paucity of suitable provision as that aimed at young people tends to be geared towards those who are far more able than he is and the higher needs provision is mixed age or bloody miles away. I'd rather he settled into college, first.

I suppose he could put his entry level 1 maths to good use and work the checkouts at Sainsbury's on his 2 days off. He can't distinguish £5 from 5p but I'm sure customers won't mind.

So is there investment in that provision because I haven’t seen it mentioned.
I wondered if it came from FE budgets because they’ve been hammered over the last few years.