AI proof jobs

[MissRain]

My sister works with AI and explained how AI already saves man hours and her boss is looking to reduce the team over time. I am so worried about the future job prospects for the next generation. Other than cook, plumber, brick layer, physio therapist, surgeon, what jobs may be less likely to be affected in the near future? I guess anything that requires manual skill and labour as robotics will be less likely to advance as fast. How will you advise you young people?

@SleepingisanArt I can't work out how to switch off lane assist. Every time I pull out to overtake a parked car (after indicating) I get told off by my car.

Then when I use cruise control my car slows down if I approach a parked car. I think can be quite dangerous.

Yes, but those people already "doing" things have got a head start, a reputation and plenty of work. Those sat at computers typing all day will have to learn a new trade, one that is increasingly competitive and will struggle to break into a new line of work.

Don't want to derail but...Why are there so many threads saying prostitution?
That is not a job!

I agree with the speed sign reading systems. We've got two cars with it and it's absolute garbage, so we've turned them off. Neither use nor ornament.

The lane assist works fine in both though. You've just got to remember to indicate when changing lanes and it doesn't activate. (You should be indicating anyway in most cases except on very quiet roads with no one around you). It may actually be useful in encouraging Audi and BMW drivers to indicate!!

Another of these threads with a few blithely gaslighting - or not thinking - that ‘there will be loads of jobs in the future with AI, we just don’t know what yet’

There won’t be more jobs. A few new roles will appear but they will not replace all those lost, and the pressure to find jobs will ensure current trends towards ever increasing requirements for high skills and low pay will continue.

The whole reason AI and computers before them were and are pushed is to reduce the numbers of jobs for humans. Computers have already done that, with jobs being lost far faster than they are created. That’s the whole point ffs! So a few select few can gain more power and wealth, as they are doing!

Any job only exists as a result of human NEED. What new human NEEDS are going to suddenly materialise? Past successfully-weathered revolutions actually brought benefits - the first national companies and supply chains for instance, producing consistent quality of goods. You could argue computers widened entertainment. What will AI bring?

Theonly major growth industry computers are providing now is, as far too many pp’s have mentioned as if it’s perfectly ok and normal, is prostitution. Ever more catering to men’s ever increasing sexual perversions. Is that the only increasing human need that can be promised? Really?

Only if so I would like to put a pillow over my daughter’s face right now. I should never have had kids for a species that thinks this is a good direction.

We urgently need the answer now to the question many of us have been asking for decades - how are humans supposed to live when there is no work, when some machine is doing all of it. So far the only answer seems to be ‘fuck pff and die plebs’ (or stay here and let me fuck some more if you’re female). It’s not good enough. Our useless, worthless politicians need to give us either a basic income or redistribute the land again if they want us working at something, anything. There needs to be answers , not the endless parrot squawking of ‘cut cut cut’ in defiance of all sense.

You don't know any of that... atm its an unknown.

When the trains and then engines/industrial revolution.. replaced horses and carts and all the associated trades they employed, that was thought to be the end of mass employment too, same with the computer, new roles evolve in all these technical revolutions.

We just don't know yet what AI will be able to door what new directions it will take "work" if at all...

People who say "Prostitution" are talking out of their back sides.

People who say "Prostitution" are talking out of their back sides

It is a job in Australia, though differing from state to state and subject to differing laws. I live in a very respectable suburb and could show you three brothels within two miles of my house. Two of them are less than a 100 yards from a school and nursery.

As noted upthread, social work is AI proof as we'll never run out of people with complicated lives.

What about anything animal or farm related, veterinary nurse, vet, dog trainer, farmer, farrier, oh 😏and abattoir and pest control, .

But it was the end of mass ‘employment’. It was the final death knell (enclosure had been increasing for 100 years beforehand) of the ability of people who had no money to work for themselves. It caused the creation of the whole concept of a need for employment, and with it unemployment and dependency on the availability of jobs. There were benefits to the Industrial Revolution as I highlighted, but it was one of two economic revolutions in human history and the social change was phenomenal. The poverty and squalor caused was unprecedented.

I’ll ask again, what new human needs are being created that will provide the basis for the millions of jobs needed for our levels of population?

We have already lost many tens of thousands to computers, and no, they have not been replaced by new roles in equal numbers.

Incidentally, the Industrial Revolution and the times immediately preceding it was the time that saw the real rise of the patriarchy and the disadvantage of women. Whole groups of men banded together to create qualified professions that specifically excluded women, and new forms of property ownership arose that, again, specifically excluded women. They did it so completely that women forgot they had ever had rights to work for themselves and provide for their own lives off that work. Only now are a few historians beginning to find out what women lost, against huge opposition by the men who use the internet mostly to drive their sexual perversions. So please also take account of what women’s lives, specifically will look like. Already we have seen that the large women’s professions are expected to pay to work for qualifications which leaves them with low wages, while the male trades which women are still largely excluded from suffer from no such requirements, and no calls for further indenturing.

The language of ‘contribution’ or requirements for volunteering do not exist for men.

Yeah, good look trying to get a robot to treat a terrified dog!

The thread is about employment after the AI revolution, not specifically womens rights/male sexual demands, look to people like Tate to see that you don't need AI to wreck womens rights and advance male sexual demands?

The poverty that occurred was because employers chose to keep all the money themselves, it wasn't as a direct cause of the industrial revolution.

My point is after every technical "advancement" there is change but the changes are often lest expected and we simply do not yet know what AI will bring or indeed take away or what new roles will emerge.

Its too early to say what the end results will be.

I'm afraid AI will have more of an impact on these roles than people think. For example google ‘AI in dentistry’. Already there is significant use of AI and robotics which can achieve far more precision and speedy implants than a human dentists at present. There’s been an implant that took 15 minutes compared to several much longer visits the traditional way. The need for as many dentists will likely reduce…https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S199179022400076X

I agree.

I also disagree with the PPs assertion that computers are only to reduce need for workers. That's very wrong in so many ways. Computers and technology are used as aids virtually everywhere and in everything to improve things.

Such as computers in cars - they're not replacing a human driving it - they're "helping" a human to drive it, i.e. safety sensors, controlling the engine, brakes, gear box in automatics, even the radio/USB player. Same with virtually all electronic household appliances - all are "aids" to the occupants whether a fridge freezer, microwave, TV, washing machine. Even entertainment - everything you could ever want to watch or read at your fingertips because of the computer in your smart phone.

The world of work will change, that's for certain, just as it did in the industrial revolution, where likewise some people were wailing that there'd be no jobs. Back then no one could have imagined the millions of jobs created in the entertainment and hospitality industry, supermarkets, warehouses, the automotive and trucking industry, the global mass shipping, the aviation industry, the IT industry - entire industries employing millions and billions of people that simply hadn't existed at the dawn of the industrial revolution.

What people need to realise is that "skills" will change. Back before the industrial revolution the "skills" for success for most people was farming and allied industries along with looking after themselves, although of course there was also shipbuilding and military in some areas.

I think the biggest risk area will be administrative, pen pushers, middle management, etc. We've had automation taking over production lines and unskilled mass manual work, i.e. work done in factories etc. I think the next phase will be taking over work done in office blocks and call centres - administrative and middle management tasks are ripe for AI to take over. Second to that will be the retail industry as there'll be less and less need for workers in shops, and less need for shops, due to the ongoing growth in online shopping, and that trend will continue even without AI.

I think manual workers, semi skilled, i.e. tradesmen, mechanics, drivers, etc, will generally survive for a few generations yet, and that will probably be a growth industry to support AI and technological advances in green energy, robotic construction methods, etc.

Professionals and highly skilled workers, engineers, etc., again, probably safe for a while yet, as we still need people to check over the output of AI and be creative with new "things".

There'll also always be a need for entertainment (inc sports), hospitality, "personal" services, i.e. hairdressers, nail bars, massage therapists, sports therapists, gardeners, cleaners, etc., and also obviously health and care workers.

So, in summary, I think it will be polarised. Those who can do something "physical" using their manual skills and/or strength will be OK. At the other end, those with professional level skills and abilities will be OK if they can adapt and have transferrable skills as AI develops. It's those in the middle who are most at risk - and I think it would be wise to ensure our children don't end up in that group by encouraging them into some kind of manual/skilled hands on work OR a higher level professional type of work.

Those of our children most at risk, sadly, I think will be the likes of Jemima who goes to Uni for an unspecific (unspecific to a particular career) degree and then gets a job as a council administrator or an NHS administrator etc. - i.e. a job they didn't actually need a degree for, with a degree that doesn't have a particular career path. Not only are such jobs at the highest risk of disappearing, the person doesn't have an obvious alternative career path and is competing with huge numbers of other people in the same position.

Really is time for hard talks with our children and turn them away from getting a non career specific degree and going to Uni for the experience. Get them either on a proper career path with a specific degree, or get them into vocational training for a more manual/hands on or skill based trade. Time to train our girls to be electricians and plumbers rather than HR assistants!

But the average Jo Public won't need nor be able to afford implants, so won't really impact the average dentist to doesn't do them.

That's just one example. Google AI in dentistry...the consensus seems to be that AI will reduce dentists workload, improve precision and accuracy in diagnosis, decision-making, treatment planning, prediction of treatment outcomes, and disease prognosis.

As I thought then, anything manual will be safer for a while, thinking jobs can and will be done by AI, so 80% + office jobs will disappear. So back to physical skills. That's probably not brilliant news for working from home or for physically disabled people. Which physical skills should our children practice and harbour? At them moment 80%+ are working mostly on their gaming skills so very little physical skills building and the poorer they are the more likely they are stuck indoors gaming or taking recreational drugs. What should children and teens learn now to be better prepared?

An example of what’s coming:

https://dentistry.co.uk/2024/08/01/robot-dentist-completes-first-dental-procedure/

Those of our children most at risk, sadly, I think will be the likes of Jemima who goes to Uni for an unspecific (unspecific to a particular career) degree and then gets a job as a council administrator or an NHS administrator etc. - i.e. a job they didn't actually need a degree for, with a degree that doesn't have a particular career path. Not only are such jobs at the highest risk of disappearing, the person doesn't have an obvious alternative career path and is competing with huge numbers of other people in the same position.

Really is time for hard talks with our children and turn them away from getting a non career specific degree and going to Uni for the experience. Get them either on a proper career path with a specific degree, or get them into vocational training for a more manual/hands on or skill based trade. Time to train our girls to be electricians and plumbers rather than HR assistants!

Employers, labour market and career development experts have a very different view.
The current focus on skills is around what are referred to as 'soft skills'. These are skills that can be transferable and applied to different jobs and settings.

Employers want graduates who are resilient and can deal with change. As well as other soft skills such as teamwork, problem , communication etc. Currently 86% of graduate jobs don't specify a degree subject. Our graduate labour market is skills focussed.

More than ever, young people need to understand that they are likely to have multiple careers and the ability to pivot and apply skills to different jobs is going to be important.

therapist/counsellor, hairdressing

housekeeper. Prison officer.

Yes definitely, the types of jobs where people just fart about on a laptop all day will be in short supply

Power generation engineer. You cannot run all the data centres needed for AI without power, and you need a seamless back up for when the main power goes wrong.. Know someone who is one currently and it's basically name your price for weekend (out of hours) work. £2k per day etc.

Hair dressing, nail technician, gardening, landscaping, childcare