The worst thing about teachers' crap pay is how it impacts men

[noblegiraffe]

Is the message I'm getting from this Times article
https://www.thetimes.com/article/6d47f549-bc16-42f5-87eb-1a742ca8dbb0?shareToken=632bef4c3b70c58fa6f1720e42fc2d68

Teacher pay is crap, which means that men are leaving teaching, which means that boys aren't seeing enough positive male role models in schools.

Fine for women to limp along on shitty pay for years though?

Words fail me, tbh

It's mad how they've ( the government) have made this issue a teaching thing in isolation rather than the fact it is inherent systemic patriarchy that enables single parenthood and low paid jobs for women.

It's sickening.

I don't know, I thought it was pretty balanced and highlighted an important problem in society. It acknowledged that men are more likely to be promoted into leadership roles in schools despite there being fewer of them so it didnt ignore sexism entirely. But the purpose of the article was to discuss men and boys, so it makes sense to talk about the reasons men are put off teaching. The fact that men are more driven by pay (and status) than women is not exactly a surprise. But low pay in the whole profession wasn't the point of the article.

I thought it was balanced and exploring another dimension to the issue

Of course it's all about the men,as usual.

The best answer to Andrew Tate is not to be found in the far reaches of the internet. It is found at the front of our classrooms.”

and this article explores that

and yet it has riled you up something proper op

I particularly enjoyed the paragraph wherein he reporter seemed to suggest that women leaving the workforce once they got married, taking us back to the days when my grandmother had to do so, would solve it all..

the article is more nuanced than that. Mostly it’s not about pay, and then there is reporting on some research by Warwick university. it isn’t an opinion piece.

Can you quote because I don’t get a whiff of that

No, I can't as haven't mastered app but it's a few paragraphs I'm and is a whole paragraph, not long after the one that blames single mothers.

As a female teacher, I find it deeply offensive that a male teacher is by default considered better with boys. We simply need more teachers. Preferably excellent ones.

You haven’t “mastered the app”

just copy and paste this section that you have interpreted as such because… well I don’t think it exists

you don’t need mastery to copy and paste unless you don’t wish to actually identify what you’re claiming

Reeves seems oblivious to the fact that nearly all Get Into Teachings ads do target men. I don't disagree that teaching should be promoted as a professional career and don't disagree that making it more lucrative is part of that. Scholarships for just make teachers is a barmy idea .

Someone once told me that one of the cynical reasons they want more women in STEM is because otherwise they won't fill the lower paid STEM careers.

Ermm... OK. I find copying and pasting hard on a phone as it goes. But I will try . No doubt so you can pull it apart as that's no doubt why you want it. It's pretty easy to find.

Ok so no quote
as I thought…. Simply doesn’t exist. No where does the article saying anything remotely close to the paragraph wherein he reporter seemed to suggest that women leaving the workforce once they got married, taking us back to the days when my grandmother had to do so, would solve it all..

Go for it. If it exists I’m genuinely keen to read

Until 1944 it was still possible for women to be barred from the teaching profession if they married. However, today it is men who are more likely to leave the profession.

However you read it, that's a bizarre paragraph of non sequiturs. To me, as if it was better when women left .

No idea how to do bold.

Until 1944 it was still possible for women to be barred from the teaching profession if they married. However, today it is men who are more likely to leave the profession.

and you interpreted this as

the paragraph wherein he reporter seemed to suggest that women leaving the workforce once they got married, taking us back to the days when my grandmother had to do so, would solve it all..

and you are a teacher?

How are the two sentences linked? Why are they even mentioning 1944?

The article is muddled. It can't decide whether we need more men in classrooms for achievement of boys ( on which the stats are inconclusive) or because of Andrew Tate. But if somehow it gets us all paid more, crack on.

You did exactly what I said you would! And yes, I am an English teacher, so can spot an illogical inference when I see one.

For years I have noticed that people are only really not fretting when girls do the required thing and perform less well than boys.

<We should send male teachers into classrooms to talk about it as a career>

If a third of teachers in secondary are men, then why send any more into classrooms to talk about it as a career? There are already men in classrooms… and if you are a student in the classroom looking at a teacher, you will be looking at a person who takes all kinds of insults and poor behaviour from a bunch of ill-behaved teenagers, who has little support from said teenagers’ parents and who goes home every night in a ten year old car… I mean where’s the attraction in teaching at the moment? There are good reasons for the way half of new entrants to the profession are gone within five years.

Goodness
that is quite a dark interpretation of the journalist stating two facts

It doesn’t suggest anything like that.

It can't decide whether we need more men in classrooms for achievement of boys ( on which the stats are inconclusive) or because of Andrew Tate.

Because it isn’t one OR the other
it is both
and both are explored in the article

Thank you! Baffling isn’t it

Because literally as the article said “Nearly a third of primary schools do not have a single male classroom teacher”.