The worst thing about teachers' crap pay is how it impacts men

[noblegiraffe]

Is the message I'm getting from this Times article
https://www.thetimes.com/article/6d47f549-bc16-42f5-87eb-1a742ca8dbb0?shareToken=632bef4c3b70c58fa6f1720e42fc2d68

Teacher pay is crap, which means that men are leaving teaching, which means that boys aren't seeing enough positive male role models in schools.

Fine for women to limp along on shitty pay for years though?

Has there ever been a lot of male primary school teachers? I only remember one from my primary school.

Indeed they are

but when we’re talking about something fairly serious - probably best to keep the hyperbole on the low down

My primary school was weird and at one point had three.

Two were classroom teachers and one floated around. They then all retired and about a year later we got a male head teacher.

My DD currently has two in her primary school but they move around due to the subjects they teach.

I believe I can do what I like.

It remains true that many many male primary teachers are headteachers or become headteachers, even more so middle schools where they still exist.

I also never said all primary headteachers were male, as it goes.

“Because they’re all headteachers”

I clearly misinterpreted this to mean you meant all male teachers are headteacher

well as long as it’s within the law, hell yes you can!

It remains true that many, many more female primary school teachers are head teachers.

It's not that men are more driven by better pay, it's that women are more likely to succeed thongs up. Women are literally programmed to make do as best they can with whatever they have, it's to their own detriment in the working world. If more women threw their hands up and complained, they'd see better pay. But we don't, we just carry on.

On the point of this dodgy paragraph "Until 1944 it was still possible for women to be barred from the teaching profession if they married. However, today it is men who are more likely to leave the profession."

I agree it definitely doesn't say 'women were more likely to leave the profession in 1944 as they could be barred if they got married, however today it is men who are more likely to leave', so if that was what was meant, it is extremely poorly written.

It also should be noted that the numerically largest group of people leaving the profession is women in their 30s (the time most likely to become mothers).

Therefore the paragraph would be rather more up-to-date if it said 'the largest group of people leaving the profession is women in their 30s, the number of men leaving is much smaller, but a larger proportion of men than women are leaving.'

I also am looking forward to overwhelming support for any future teacher strikes about pay now that it is definitely settled that we aren't being paid enough.

Sure, I agree about the programming of women in our society, but that's not what the article was about. It was about boys needing positive male role models.

I don't know why you are deliberately missing my point. It's actually a point made not very clearly in the article. A third of primary schools have no male class teachers. The word class is deliberately used there. Some of those schools will have male heads. I'd like to know. It's definitely true, for a whole host of reasons, that men progress into leadership more quickly. I am not saying that's a bad thing. That may be excellent aspirational stuff. But it does take them out of classrooms.

Then pay all teachers fairly? Just because women are better are doing a good job with shit conditions doesn't mean they should be underpaid. Also, if a lad can't have a female role model he's probably thick as mud anyway..

Nowhere in the article did it suggest men should be paid more than women.

Did you miss the bit about scholarships?

That's ridiculous. Of course boys need to see a range of productive, good men in their lives doing useful roles. Seeing women doing that is also important, maybe for different reasons. I'd argue it's also good for girls to see kind, emotionally intelligent men in their daily lives, as well as having professional women as role models.

Scholarships doesn't mean more pay.

Low pay and 13 weeks holiday? Get a grip and stop moaning

Why aren't men flocking to the profession?

Yes it does.

Men will be paid more to train as teachers than women.

And you don't have a problem with that...why?

Maybe they fancy driving a bus or something else? Anyone who is struggling with 13 weeks holiday when the rest of society gets 5 to 6 weeks is lazy.

Thanks for your input 👍

Because I don't think that's what it's saying. It would be illegal, for a start.

I can tell you why that is. It’s because most males in primary teaching very quickly end up behind the computer screen in the headteacher’s office and nowhere near the classroom.