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They're going to offer up Zelenskyy no matter what - wtf is he doing/thinking????

109 replies

ForRealwhen · 04/03/2025 22:29

The future of the world hinges on you!
WTF are you thinking - buying into the US deal???
The world/ Europe/I stand by you!
You are the most inspirational leader in the world right now!
Do not back down!
We need you!

Plus - surely, you must know that you and Ukraine are up for sacrifice next if you go downthat road ...
You will not be spared
It's goint to be carnage

Don't do it - please!
Everone is looking to you ....

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Baital · 04/03/2025 22:34

I suspect he is being the adult in the room. Let Trump posture, flatter his ego, and see what can be done in the space that opens up.

I expect there are very few in the US military who are happy with the Trump/Putin relationship. They can't disobey direct orders, but if Trump moves on to the next thing they may be able to make lower level decisions that could make a difference.

Equally, if the US financial markets and Trump's popularity ratings tank he may do an about turn.

CalicoPusscat · 04/03/2025 22:39

He's being backed into a corner.

I read something earlier about how Trump might have frontotemperal (definitely misspelt, sorry!) dementia.

Can he pick up a glass with only one hand...

He's just a puppet for others.

Oneearringlost · 04/03/2025 22:40

I know, I put my head on my knees when I heard that he'd agreed the mineral deal today, that he would sign 'at any time'.
But he's been backed into a corner. Just watched him again on News at 10, at the Friday Oval fiasco, Oh my goodness, the sheer bewilderment and defeated tiredness on that man's face.

Baital · 04/03/2025 22:46

Well, there are questions about how valuable a deal that is to the USA, because of the cost of extraction. It is certainly doesn't offer much to the USA in the short term. From what I have read and listened to, there would be a 10-15 year lead in time, by which time either some sanity has returned or we are all so far gone it doesn't matter either way.

I can understand why it is the lesser of two evils at this point.

Much as I would love Zelenskyy to be able to tell Trump where to go...

528htz · 04/03/2025 22:57

He doesn't really have any choice at this stage. He absolutely can't end up being blamed for prolonging this war by refusing to try to bring an end to it. He's totally backed into a corner.

I hope trump, vance and putin get what's coming to them sooner rather than later. I also hope trump thoroughly drives the US into the ground to deter them from ever venturing down this fascist route again. I hope it's a warning to the uk that the likes of reform are not the answer. Self serving incompetents don't form functional governments, they only create chaos and misery.

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 23:01

He called JD Vance “suka/bitch” in the Oval Office. He’s a badass.

Glory to DUkraine 🇺🇦💪🥰

AlteredStater · 04/03/2025 23:16

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 23:01

He called JD Vance “suka/bitch” in the Oval Office. He’s a badass.

Glory to DUkraine 🇺🇦💪🥰

Gotta love him! 😂

JadededViewer · 04/03/2025 23:33

Ah, the theatre of international diplomacy a stage where every actor believes they are the protagonist, yet the script is written by those who understand power, not sentiment. Your impassioned plea to President Zelensky is commendable, but let's dissect the anatomy of this geopolitical chessboard.

President Zelensky's recent overtures toward peace negotiations, are not merely acts of concession but calculated manoeuvre's to secure Ukraine's sovereignty and economic future.

The suspension of U.S. military aid, a lever pulled by President Trump to pressure Ukraine into negotiations, has left Zelensky with limited options. European leaders, though vocal in their support, have shown reluctance to commit additional peacekeeping forces, leaving Ukraine in a precarious position.

Zelensky's proposal of a mineral-rights agreement with the U.S. is a strategic attempt to align Ukraine's economic interests with American priorities, thereby securing a more steadfast ally. This move aims to transform Ukraine from a mere beneficiary of aid to a partner offering tangible assets, thus recalibrating the power dynamics.

Critics like Vice President JD Vance have chastised Zelensky's perceived reluctance toward the peace process, interpreting it as a strain on U.S.-Ukraine relations. However, this criticism overlooks the intricate balance Zelensky must maintain between asserting Ukraine's autonomy and acquiescing to external pressures.

In this high-stakes game, Zelensky's actions are not those of a leader capitulating to foreign demands but of one navigating a labyrinth of geopolitical interests. He understands that the art of survival lies not in defiance for its own sake but in the strategic alignment of one's nation's interests with the prevailing winds of global power.

So, before we cast judgment on his decisions, let us recognize the complexity of the battlefield on which he manoeuvre's a battlefield where ideals often bow to the cold, hard realities of realpolitik.

KenAdams · 05/03/2025 00:03

There will be heavy pressure from Europe to give Trump what he wants so we dont have to fund it all.

Livelovebehappy · 05/03/2025 00:06

He literally has no choice. Trump has withdrawn financial assistance, and Zelenskyy cannot continue to fight the war effectively with only funds from Europe. I guess after three years, the time has come to push for something because we cannot continue to fund their war indefinitely.

SallyDraperGetInHere · 05/03/2025 00:13

He’s a realist. I’m disappointed not in him but how he is cornered, and Trump and Vance are so petty and malevolent as to want his scalp. So he’s saying, despite the Starmer Summit, that the US unilaterally withdrawing support means drastic action is needed, and if it means a negotiation, he sees it for what it is. He is a rare person, that will say ‘if it means I need to leave the stage, I’ll go.’ Realpolitik in action. Nobel Peace Prize material!

He’s an incredible leader, emotionally intelligent, and has acquitted himself with tremendous calm. I wish it weren’t so, but I think the European alliance just can’t give Ukraine what they need. Shame it took last Friday’s debacle to highlight the passivity of allies over the last three years. Hate to say it but it was Trump who has pushed more than any to say ‘what’s the exit plan, guys?’

Slava Ukraini.

Pallisers · 05/03/2025 00:22

He doesn't have much choice.

I've been thinking since Friday that the point of that ambush in the oval office was to push Zelensky out of power. If he resigns, there is no doubt that a russian puppet will be installed with the help of Trump. That will be game over for Ukraine. So he is doing the best he can to maintain an independent Ukrainian administration and government - for as long as he can.

What Trump did is shameful. I am american and every american I know feels the same.

AlteredStater · 05/03/2025 00:24

Pallisers · 05/03/2025 00:22

He doesn't have much choice.

I've been thinking since Friday that the point of that ambush in the oval office was to push Zelensky out of power. If he resigns, there is no doubt that a russian puppet will be installed with the help of Trump. That will be game over for Ukraine. So he is doing the best he can to maintain an independent Ukrainian administration and government - for as long as he can.

What Trump did is shameful. I am american and every american I know feels the same.

Yes, and then the West will have Russia knocking on their door next.

ItsaMOBone · 05/03/2025 00:25

Are you using ChatGPT @JadededViewer ?!

InWalksBarberalla · 05/03/2025 00:32

The world/ Europe/I stand by you!

Unfortunately supportive words, even when tweeted, don't stop his people getting slaughtered and his country destroyed.

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 00:33

ItsaMOBone · 05/03/2025 00:25

Are you using ChatGPT @JadededViewer ?!

Pray tell, why would one use such rubbish ?

SallyDraperGetInHere · 05/03/2025 00:33

Pallisers · 05/03/2025 00:22

He doesn't have much choice.

I've been thinking since Friday that the point of that ambush in the oval office was to push Zelensky out of power. If he resigns, there is no doubt that a russian puppet will be installed with the help of Trump. That will be game over for Ukraine. So he is doing the best he can to maintain an independent Ukrainian administration and government - for as long as he can.

What Trump did is shameful. I am american and every american I know feels the same.

You make a good point about the installation of a puppet. Trump calling for elections during a war … unthinkable but installing a ‘compromise President’ is a real risk.

Your point about all the Americans you know feeling the same way resonates; to European eyes, I think we are baffled how polarised the USA is, when Europe (with the exception of the UK) tends more towards PR, multiple parties, transferable votes, and coalitions. I’m amazed that the USA exists with two-party bubbles with nothing in between.

FumingTRex · 05/03/2025 00:35

ItsaMOBone · 05/03/2025 00:25

Are you using ChatGPT @JadededViewer ?!

I would expect ChatGPT to use apostrophes correctly

ItsaMOBone · 05/03/2025 00:39

Yes the apostrophe’s were a nice authentic touch but the rest of it definitely had a whiff of the bot 😬
sorry @JadededViewer

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 00:42

ItsaMOBone · 05/03/2025 00:39

Yes the apostrophe’s were a nice authentic touch but the rest of it definitely had a whiff of the bot 😬
sorry @JadededViewer

Well you believe what you choose to believe, one was taking part in the debate and having a good discussion. Have a Heavenly day

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 00:45

KenAdams · 05/03/2025 00:03

There will be heavy pressure from Europe to give Trump what he wants so we dont have to fund it all.

It’s not as simple as us not funding it all. It would take 3-years for Europe to get to the stage where we could provide the fire power and air defence, both in money and the weaponry. That would be far too late for Ukraine. It pains me greatly that they can’t just tell Trump and his little yappy dog Vance to go fuck themselves, but Zelenskyy and all other European leaders just can’t yet.

I am enjoying watching Canada do that though.

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 00:46

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 00:42

Well you believe what you choose to believe, one was taking part in the debate and having a good discussion. Have a Heavenly day

Are you based in Giliad?

sleepwouldbenice · 05/03/2025 00:48

I bloody know how you feel, giving up the last card and everything, but I saw a reasonable interview today with a neutral party, even quite pro Ukraine saying the deal was not that bad. I am going to try to take a look for independent comments tomorrow and hope it makes it all feel a bit better

I am hoping for something along the lines of. The willing putboots on ground etc with a commitment to back them up if needed by US, or some sort of time fixed tapered support from the US. To allow everyone else to deal with the stupid place we have got to and be less reliant on batshit crazy wotsit faced prats in the future

In the meantime I actually don't want assassinations any more, having seen how bad Vance is there is no point. I hope instead for the collapse of American economy etc. although I do worry that social media disinformation means they may never realise how self inflicted it would be, they would still blame someone else. I mean many of them believe the 350b figure, money has gone missing, houses in Florida etc. it's incredulous

Never2many · 05/03/2025 00:48

These leaders are all in league with one another.

Zelensky was always going to sign the mineral deal. the showdown in the white house was all completely staged and I’ve said so from the start.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think that Trump is a disaster, I do. But Zelensky knows how to play the game to get what he wants.

A lot of countries have been considering withdrawing military aid from Ukraine. It’s been two years and there’s been no progression, and realistically the world could not be expected to fund them indefinitely. unless something happened to make Russia look like a more scary prospect.

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 00:49

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 00:46

Are you based in Giliad?

no as that's a region in the bible, pray tell why would a mere mortal be there ?