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They're going to offer up Zelenskyy no matter what - wtf is he doing/thinking????

109 replies

ForRealwhen · 04/03/2025 22:29

The future of the world hinges on you!
WTF are you thinking - buying into the US deal???
The world/ Europe/I stand by you!
You are the most inspirational leader in the world right now!
Do not back down!
We need you!

Plus - surely, you must know that you and Ukraine are up for sacrifice next if you go downthat road ...
You will not be spared
It's goint to be carnage

Don't do it - please!
Everone is looking to you ....

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Biscuitsnotcookies · 05/03/2025 06:30

JadededViewer · 04/03/2025 23:33

Ah, the theatre of international diplomacy a stage where every actor believes they are the protagonist, yet the script is written by those who understand power, not sentiment. Your impassioned plea to President Zelensky is commendable, but let's dissect the anatomy of this geopolitical chessboard.

President Zelensky's recent overtures toward peace negotiations, are not merely acts of concession but calculated manoeuvre's to secure Ukraine's sovereignty and economic future.

The suspension of U.S. military aid, a lever pulled by President Trump to pressure Ukraine into negotiations, has left Zelensky with limited options. European leaders, though vocal in their support, have shown reluctance to commit additional peacekeeping forces, leaving Ukraine in a precarious position.

Zelensky's proposal of a mineral-rights agreement with the U.S. is a strategic attempt to align Ukraine's economic interests with American priorities, thereby securing a more steadfast ally. This move aims to transform Ukraine from a mere beneficiary of aid to a partner offering tangible assets, thus recalibrating the power dynamics.

Critics like Vice President JD Vance have chastised Zelensky's perceived reluctance toward the peace process, interpreting it as a strain on U.S.-Ukraine relations. However, this criticism overlooks the intricate balance Zelensky must maintain between asserting Ukraine's autonomy and acquiescing to external pressures.

In this high-stakes game, Zelensky's actions are not those of a leader capitulating to foreign demands but of one navigating a labyrinth of geopolitical interests. He understands that the art of survival lies not in defiance for its own sake but in the strategic alignment of one's nation's interests with the prevailing winds of global power.

So, before we cast judgment on his decisions, let us recognize the complexity of the battlefield on which he manoeuvre's a battlefield where ideals often bow to the cold, hard realities of realpolitik.

I might also add the ‘real’ negotiation hasn’t even started yet. The greater issue, is not getting Zelenskyy to play ball (that was inevitable eventually) what is being constantly overlooked, is the difficulty the US/the world will have to face when it comes to dealing with a dishonest rogue state with a power hungry, calculating dictator that does not care for his population at all - Russia.

We might be aghast watching Zelenskyy humiliated by Trump, but we are going to need someone highly skilled in both strategic and tactical leadership to secure ANY kind of lasting peace on Russia’s side.

It might feel like a hugely embarrassing, humiliating climb down that is going to have to be required for Russia to even open peace talks with the US.

We might all be focused on Ukraine, but it is Russia we need to be thinking about.

Or this war really will never end..

DustyLee123 · 05/03/2025 06:30

The one thing that needs to come out of this is NATO in Ukraine.

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 07:05

we cannot continue to fund their war indefinitely

ffs

EasternStandard · 05/03/2025 07:41

InWalksBarberalla · 05/03/2025 00:32

The world/ Europe/I stand by you!

Unfortunately supportive words, even when tweeted, don't stop his people getting slaughtered and his country destroyed.

Agree Zelenskyy has to be realistic. All the SM posts, photo ops on steps are not it.

He needs military kit, tech and comms more from the US hence signing.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 05/03/2025 07:44

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 07:05

we cannot continue to fund their war indefinitely

ffs

I'm not understanding the ffs...is the text you highlighted above not true?

InWalksBarberalla · 05/03/2025 08:14

It's very worrying for the futures of the nearby Baltic states. I wish someone would just assassinate Putin. He's so evil.

The reason the west hasn't tried is because the people waiting in the wings are generally considered to be even worse than Putin.

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 10:14

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 00:49

no as that's a region in the bible, pray tell why would a mere mortal be there ?

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I was thinking more of the Handmaids Tale (the religious element) with your “have a heavenly day” 😳

Worth saying, I agree with the points you made in your detailed post. Thankfully, no weird religious stuff in that.

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 10:22

steamboatbillie · 05/03/2025 06:21

Latest News - USA has stopped UK sharing intelligence from Washington about Ukraine with Ukraine.

It seems Trump gave a speech overnight.

No doubt more information will filter through to us in due course.....

He won’t be able to ban the UK, he might believe he can, but he really can’t. There will be a threat that the US will withdraw from the 5 Eyes Intelligence partnership, but that would only damage the US since they are not a superpower in that. I think ultimately, we and other ‘free world’ countries are going have stop sharing with the US and correspondingly, with any country that shares intelligence with them, because there appears to be a real risk of the information being shared with Russia.

steamboatbillie · 05/03/2025 10:28

StrikeAlways · 05/03/2025 10:22

He won’t be able to ban the UK, he might believe he can, but he really can’t. There will be a threat that the US will withdraw from the 5 Eyes Intelligence partnership, but that would only damage the US since they are not a superpower in that. I think ultimately, we and other ‘free world’ countries are going have stop sharing with the US and correspondingly, with any country that shares intelligence with them, because there appears to be a real risk of the information being shared with Russia.

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Russia is "ready for peace" it seems.

From Reuters - Trump also said he had been in "serious discussions with Russia" and had "received strong signals that they are ready for peace".
"Wouldn't that be beautiful?" he said. "It's time to stop this madness. It's time to halt the killing. It's time to end this senseless war. If you want to end wars you have to talk to both sides."
Trump was expected to further outline his plans for Ukraine and Russia in the
speech to Congress, but did not reveal any further details on how he plans to end Europe's biggest conflict since World War Two.

Somethingthecatdraggedin7 · 05/03/2025 10:32

528htz · 04/03/2025 22:57

He doesn't really have any choice at this stage. He absolutely can't end up being blamed for prolonging this war by refusing to try to bring an end to it. He's totally backed into a corner.

I hope trump, vance and putin get what's coming to them sooner rather than later. I also hope trump thoroughly drives the US into the ground to deter them from ever venturing down this fascist route again. I hope it's a warning to the uk that the likes of reform are not the answer. Self serving incompetents don't form functional governments, they only create chaos and misery.

Totally agree. He is doing his best in an impossible situation and he has more integrity in his little finger that Trump and Vance and the rest of the maga mob have put together.

wholettheturnipsburn · 05/03/2025 10:34

Zelensky is doing what he has to do, faced with the blackmailing monsters who have stopped arms IN TRANSIT

He is the adult in the room. He is the one with integrity

The tangerine toddler is fucking insane and that prick Vance is a monster. How can you deal with people like then.

sevenIsNewEight · 05/03/2025 10:36

I've understood that the second version of the deal doesn't really mean much in practical terms. Trump can show "he made a deal", but nothing really changes hands.

MissMoneyFairy · 05/03/2025 10:46

sevenIsNewEight · 05/03/2025 10:36

I've understood that the second version of the deal doesn't really mean much in practical terms. Trump can show "he made a deal", but nothing really changes hands.

What was the financial deal between ukraine and previous us presidents, was it a loan, the figure trump keeps quoting was not the amount given. Zelensky is the bigger person here, Trump is a megalomaniac.

isitspringyet · 05/03/2025 10:52

So those wanting boots on the ground. Happen to commit your children to this?

wholettheturnipsburn · 05/03/2025 10:56

isitspringyet · 05/03/2025 10:52

So those wanting boots on the ground. Happen to commit your children to this?

If my kids were in the military then they're old enough to make their choice. Like Afghanistan and Iraq. And Bosnia.

Where has this idea that there will conscription come from?

Notonthestairs · 05/03/2025 11:01

Who on this thread has even mentioned 'boots on the ground', let alone conscription?

The thread title merely recognises that the US are an unreliable ally (at best).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/03/2025 11:17

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 02:37

Ah, the bitter taste of dependency like a gambler who thought the house was his friend, only to realize the casino never loses.

Let’s dispense with sentiment and deal in reality. The United States never offers something for nothing. Every handshake comes with a ledger, every favour with a future demand. Ukraine was not “promoted” into war; it was positioned. The chessboard was set, and Kyiv had the illusion of choice. But illusions don’t stop bullets.

Yes, the U.S. has provided more military aid than the rest of the Western world combined. That was never an act of benevolence. It was an investment, a down payment on influence, and a wedge against Russia. America does not bankroll wars for charity it does so for control. The loan structure?

That’s just the final twist of the knife, a reminder that power is not given, it is leased, with interest. As for Europe ah, the old defense-spending dilemma. Years of comfort under the NATO umbrella have left European powers strategically anaemic.

The moment to redefine autonomy was a decade ago, not when the wolves are already at the door. The U.S. might value quantity over quality, but when Europe has neither, that’s not a contest it’s a surrender.

So, where does that leave Ukraine? Between two forces that see it as a pawn rather than a partner. The only way forward is to play the game better than the masters themselves leverage every inch of remaining goodwill, pit American interests against their own contradictions, and force Europe to rediscover its backbone. It’s not about telling the U.S. to “do one.” It’s about making the U.S. and Europe fight to prove their worth.

That is how you survive in a world run by wolves. Not by hoping for fairness, but by making sure every deal cuts both ways.

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Yet another superb post, JadededViewer; so refreshing to have a realist here

sevenIsNewEight · 05/03/2025 11:17

isitspringyet · 05/03/2025 10:52

So those wanting boots on the ground. Happen to commit your children to this?

That's the choice Europe is making now. Sending relatively small number of career soldiers as an international contingent now to decrease risks of more chaos, economical instanbility and wide conscriptions (though that would start in Eastern part of EU first)

SomewhereinSuberbia · 05/03/2025 11:21

I think that it is wrong to get too hung up on Trump and think more about what we know about the US and it's long term behaviour.
This is what I remember them always doing.

They are in, they are enthusiastic, they fight an enemy- Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.

Then it costs a lot, public opinion turns, they're out.

What usually happens is that they realise that there is no win.
Vietnam- the Viet cong could not be defeated, just managed, Iraq- achieved their goal then didn't know what to do, Afghanistan- the Taliban carried out guerrilla warfare, checkpoints, and assassinations.

Pulling the money out is always undignified and chaotic, the Afghanistan pull out left the Taliban millions of pounds of equipement,
thousands were left stranded, etc.etc.

Ukraine in the first two years they thought that giving enough arms and money to Ukraine's army would get results but it didn't work and it has ended in a stalemate-
My advice to Zelensky would be to move quickly and try and tie them to as many obligations of continued money and support for protecting the border as he can get out of them, move quickly because they are out.

EasternStandard · 05/03/2025 11:21

That's the choice Europe is making now.

Do you mean the small number sent after deals are signed and only with US security?

sparrowflewdown · 05/03/2025 11:22

was thinking more of the Handmaids Tale (the religious element) with your “have a heavenly day” 😳
JD Vance definitely gives off those vibes and something about IT'S outfit sent a shiver up my spine!

They're going to offer up Zelenskyy no matter what - wtf is he doing/thinking????
BeardofHagrid · 05/03/2025 11:28

God bless and mazel tov to Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his wonderful Israeli parents Oleksandr and Rymma 🇮🇱🇺🇦💪😍

All Israelis stand with Ukraine in the face of unjust tyranny 🇮🇱🇺🇦

We got this 🇺🇦💪🥰🙏

Biscuitsnotcookies · 05/03/2025 11:32

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/03/2025 11:17

Yet another superb post, JadededViewer; so refreshing to have a realist here

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Yes Jaded was spot on. Ukraine could become very prosperous as well as independent and secure if they handle this carefully, it’s not all over yet by a long shot.

This war has galavanised millions of people around the world to care and respect Ukraine, some wouldn’t have even heard of it before. They have a huge bank of goodwill, and I do hope this serves them well one day when the deal has come to pass.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/03/2025 11:50

Ukraine could become very prosperous as well as independent and secure if they handle this carefully, it’s not all over yet by a long shot

Very much with you on that, @Biscuitsnotcookies
As I said on another thread we may not like Trump, but while some are enjoying the insult-throwing for now it'll take a while to see if his approach will be effective in the end

And hopefully, if it is, that effectiveness will work for the people of Ukraine too

Flippercanorious · 05/03/2025 11:58

ThisFluentBiscuit · 05/03/2025 07:44

I'm not understanding the ffs...is the text you highlighted above not true?

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Dont worry about it. Some just want to continue fighting Russia (one Ukrainian at a time)