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They're going to offer up Zelenskyy no matter what - wtf is he doing/thinking????

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ForRealwhen · 04/03/2025 22:29

The future of the world hinges on you!
WTF are you thinking - buying into the US deal???
The world/ Europe/I stand by you!
You are the most inspirational leader in the world right now!
Do not back down!
We need you!

Plus - surely, you must know that you and Ukraine are up for sacrifice next if you go downthat road ...
You will not be spared
It's goint to be carnage

Don't do it - please!
Everone is looking to you ....

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JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 00:52

Never2many · 05/03/2025 00:48

These leaders are all in league with one another.

Zelensky was always going to sign the mineral deal. the showdown in the white house was all completely staged and I’ve said so from the start.

That doesn’t mean I don’t think that Trump is a disaster, I do. But Zelensky knows how to play the game to get what he wants.

A lot of countries have been considering withdrawing military aid from Ukraine. It’s been two years and there’s been no progression, and realistically the world could not be expected to fund them indefinitely. unless something happened to make Russia look like a more scary prospect.

You’re absolutely right. Behind the scenes, there is a web of alliances, backroom deals, and carefully orchestrated moves nothing is left to chance. Zelensky’s signing of the mineral deal? A foregone conclusion. This wasn’t some impromptu decision made under pressure; it was part of a larger play, one in which the script was written long before the curtain rose.

The showdown at the White House? Pure theatre. Zaleski knew exactly how to pull the right strings, make the right gestures, to secure what he needed. It was all calculated. The tension? Manufactured for the public’s consumption. It’s a well-worn tactic create drama, draw attention, then seal the deal when the spotlight fades.

And as for Trump well, let's be honest. A disaster, yes. But Zaleski? He’s no fool. He understands that in the world of politics, you play the game or you get played. And make no mistake, he’s playing it with precision, using every move to his advantage.

Military aid to Ukraine is indeed becoming a thorny issue. Two years, no progress, and the checks continue to flow. But the clock is ticking. And while the world may not be prepared to fund a perpetual war, what happens next will hinge on how Russia is framed. If Russia becomes the face of evil, the world will suddenly have a reason to invest again. Fear, after all, is a powerful motivator.

So yes, it’s all a game. A game with stakes that are much higher than we like to admit. But Zelensky? He’s playing it with all the subtlety and cunning of someone who knows exactly how to move the pieces on the board. And that, my friend, is a lesson in power.

aurynne · 05/03/2025 01:23

In Spain we say "Cría cuervos, y te sacarán los ojos". If you breed crows, they's eat your eyes out. Doing a deal with Trump now is the most stupid option. This man is not to be trusted. The contract for the deal is not worth its weight in toilet paper. Who trusts a bully to keep his word?

Europe needs to go at it alone, risks or no risks. The USA has become a hostile country, and a rogue one while at it. It has no credibility and no good faith. It's all about how much money they can make at all costs (and they are not making any money out of it anyways, it's the irony of it). The US government couldnb't give less of a shit about what is right, what is fair and what will make sense in the long term. They are ruled by a madman, and you don't negotiate with a madman.

ChessorBuckaroo · 05/03/2025 01:37

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 23:01

He called JD Vance “suka/bitch” in the Oval Office. He’s a badass.

Glory to DUkraine 🇺🇦💪🥰

Vance grew up as "white trash" (america, a monstrous race based white settler entity, has a label for everyone). Donald was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and is a narcissist. And then there is Musk, the Afikaner who condemns post-apartheid era South Africa.

Their behaviour should come as no surprise to anyone. america is a racist entity. Without ethnic cleansing of the "savages" (the dehumanising label for the Natives by the slave owning tyrant jefferson in the white settler declaration) an american would not exist. And only whites are american per its race laws.

Twelve presidents owned slaves while in the White House (a building built by slaves). america had to wait until Barack Obama before it had its first non racist president. So Trump is par for the course. In fact he is tame by comparison. On the possibility of interracial marraige no longer being illegal in america, Harry Truman said; "would you want your daughter to marry a negro? She won't love someone who isn't her color".

The image below is a perfect illustration of this white settler entity. The Ku Klux Klan came into existence as they wanted to restore america to its foundation as a white settler entity; that is its DNA, the core of its identity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

Facebook labels declaration of independence as 'hate speech'

The website told a local newspaper they violated its community guidelines by posting the original document

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

duc748 · 05/03/2025 01:47

Chatting to a mate tonight about Ukraine, and I said, those of us who chanted to get USAF bases and cruise missiles out of East Anglia in the 70s should maybe now reflect that we have to put our money where our mouth is, hard-pressed NHS or no. Or expect some other form of taxation. We cannot rely on the Americans. We should have learnt that under Obama, but it's crystal-clear under Trump.

altmember · 05/03/2025 01:58

As much as I hate the way it appears to be going - USA gets exclusive mineral rights, while European countries provide all the peacekeeping troops (and USA won't even offer to back us up), the greed of the USA/Trump has backed Ukraine into a corner. USA has pretended to be an ally, promoted Ukraine into war and then stabbed them in the back when they're vulnerable by now saying everything they gave was a loan.

Zelensky is now between a rock and a hard place (or two lunatics). If the stats are accurate, USA has provided a huge amount of military support to Ukraine. More than every other donor nation combined. Without that US contribution, Ukraine are screwed unless the other countries suddenly find additional massive stockpiles that they're willing to provide (which is unlikely).

I would love nothing more than for Ukraine to tell USA to 'do one' and for other nations to fill in the aid gap, but European countries just don't have the resources on tap. We've all been complacent with the NATO agreement for years - European countries have ran down their defence spending because we've had the USA to back us. Now we're all in their pockets and don't have the tools or other resources to stand up to them and go it alone. We probably have some better (or at least equally good) military tech and strategy. The USA are renowned for quantity over quality in nearly everything they do.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

They're going to offer up Zelenskyy no matter what - wtf is he doing/thinking????
selffellatingouroborosofhate · 05/03/2025 02:28

ChessorBuckaroo · 05/03/2025 01:37

Vance grew up as "white trash" (america, a monstrous race based white settler entity, has a label for everyone). Donald was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and is a narcissist. And then there is Musk, the Afikaner who condemns post-apartheid era South Africa.

Their behaviour should come as no surprise to anyone. america is a racist entity. Without ethnic cleansing of the "savages" (the dehumanising label for the Natives by the slave owning tyrant jefferson in the white settler declaration) an american would not exist. And only whites are american per its race laws.

Twelve presidents owned slaves while in the White House (a building built by slaves). america had to wait until Barack Obama before it had its first non racist president. So Trump is par for the course. In fact he is tame by comparison. On the possibility of interracial marraige no longer being illegal in america, Harry Truman said; "would you want your daughter to marry a negro? She won't love someone who isn't her color".

The image below is a perfect illustration of this white settler entity. The Ku Klux Klan came into existence as they wanted to restore america to its foundation as a white settler entity; that is its DNA, the core of its identity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/facebook-declaration-of-independence-hate-speech

And only whites are american per its race laws.

I think you'll find that Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment put paid to that.

By contrast, American women remain second-class citizens because the Equal Rights Amendment was never ratified.

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 02:37

altmember · 05/03/2025 01:58

As much as I hate the way it appears to be going - USA gets exclusive mineral rights, while European countries provide all the peacekeeping troops (and USA won't even offer to back us up), the greed of the USA/Trump has backed Ukraine into a corner. USA has pretended to be an ally, promoted Ukraine into war and then stabbed them in the back when they're vulnerable by now saying everything they gave was a loan.

Zelensky is now between a rock and a hard place (or two lunatics). If the stats are accurate, USA has provided a huge amount of military support to Ukraine. More than every other donor nation combined. Without that US contribution, Ukraine are screwed unless the other countries suddenly find additional massive stockpiles that they're willing to provide (which is unlikely).

I would love nothing more than for Ukraine to tell USA to 'do one' and for other nations to fill in the aid gap, but European countries just don't have the resources on tap. We've all been complacent with the NATO agreement for years - European countries have ran down their defence spending because we've had the USA to back us. Now we're all in their pockets and don't have the tools or other resources to stand up to them and go it alone. We probably have some better (or at least equally good) military tech and strategy. The USA are renowned for quantity over quality in nearly everything they do.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

Ah, the bitter taste of dependency like a gambler who thought the house was his friend, only to realize the casino never loses.

Let’s dispense with sentiment and deal in reality. The United States never offers something for nothing. Every handshake comes with a ledger, every favour with a future demand. Ukraine was not “promoted” into war; it was positioned. The chessboard was set, and Kyiv had the illusion of choice. But illusions don’t stop bullets.

Yes, the U.S. has provided more military aid than the rest of the Western world combined. That was never an act of benevolence. It was an investment, a down payment on influence, and a wedge against Russia. America does not bankroll wars for charity it does so for control. The loan structure?

That’s just the final twist of the knife, a reminder that power is not given, it is leased, with interest. As for Europe ah, the old defense-spending dilemma. Years of comfort under the NATO umbrella have left European powers strategically anaemic.

The moment to redefine autonomy was a decade ago, not when the wolves are already at the door. The U.S. might value quantity over quality, but when Europe has neither, that’s not a contest it’s a surrender.

So, where does that leave Ukraine? Between two forces that see it as a pawn rather than a partner. The only way forward is to play the game better than the masters themselves leverage every inch of remaining goodwill, pit American interests against their own contradictions, and force Europe to rediscover its backbone. It’s not about telling the U.S. to “do one.” It’s about making the U.S. and Europe fight to prove their worth.

That is how you survive in a world run by wolves. Not by hoping for fairness, but by making sure every deal cuts both ways.

Valeriekat · 05/03/2025 03:04

AlteredStater · 04/03/2025 23:16

Gotta love him! 😂

Which presumably is why they kicked him out. No one comes out well from this.

MarxistMags · 05/03/2025 03:08

I said the same thing to DH about how tired he looked. Add to the mix that English is his 2nd language and it was a recipe for disaster. Especially as Trump is going to proclaim he is the saviour of the World then go on holiday. Hopefully to Gaza.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 05/03/2025 03:15

I think both the USA & Russia especially Russia need reminding of the Budapest Memorandum
on Security Assurances which they both agreed to & signed regarding Ukraine.

DPotter · 05/03/2025 03:20

The thing I don't understand - Putin clearly wants all of Ukraine not just the areas he has now. Trump wants the minerals, oil etc. Zelensky signing on the dotted is meaningless if Putin overruns Ukraine - Putin sure isn't going to share the natural resources with Trump, even if they are in cahoots. So why make such a big song and dance about signing them over.

I can see Zelensky being forced to stand down as Trump will refuse to deal with him. Trump is not the type of deal maker who lets the other side walk away with dignity. He wants to totally humiliate.

aurynne · 05/03/2025 03:45

And this is why I think men should not be allowed to rule countries. It's all about money, greed, what you get, how to accumulate more wealth and power.

Most women care more about avoiding loss of life and achieving a degree of progress and wellbeing for the people.

LunaNorth · 05/03/2025 04:11

aurynne · 05/03/2025 03:45

And this is why I think men should not be allowed to rule countries. It's all about money, greed, what you get, how to accumulate more wealth and power.

Most women care more about avoiding loss of life and achieving a degree of progress and wellbeing for the people.

Thatcher didn’t seem to give much of a fuck.

Moulook31 · 05/03/2025 04:25

JadededViewer · 04/03/2025 23:33

Ah, the theatre of international diplomacy a stage where every actor believes they are the protagonist, yet the script is written by those who understand power, not sentiment. Your impassioned plea to President Zelensky is commendable, but let's dissect the anatomy of this geopolitical chessboard.

President Zelensky's recent overtures toward peace negotiations, are not merely acts of concession but calculated manoeuvre's to secure Ukraine's sovereignty and economic future.

The suspension of U.S. military aid, a lever pulled by President Trump to pressure Ukraine into negotiations, has left Zelensky with limited options. European leaders, though vocal in their support, have shown reluctance to commit additional peacekeeping forces, leaving Ukraine in a precarious position.

Zelensky's proposal of a mineral-rights agreement with the U.S. is a strategic attempt to align Ukraine's economic interests with American priorities, thereby securing a more steadfast ally. This move aims to transform Ukraine from a mere beneficiary of aid to a partner offering tangible assets, thus recalibrating the power dynamics.

Critics like Vice President JD Vance have chastised Zelensky's perceived reluctance toward the peace process, interpreting it as a strain on U.S.-Ukraine relations. However, this criticism overlooks the intricate balance Zelensky must maintain between asserting Ukraine's autonomy and acquiescing to external pressures.

In this high-stakes game, Zelensky's actions are not those of a leader capitulating to foreign demands but of one navigating a labyrinth of geopolitical interests. He understands that the art of survival lies not in defiance for its own sake but in the strategic alignment of one's nation's interests with the prevailing winds of global power.

So, before we cast judgment on his decisions, let us recognize the complexity of the battlefield on which he manoeuvre's a battlefield where ideals often bow to the cold, hard realities of realpolitik.

Well said!

macrowave · 05/03/2025 04:44

Advanced search. The differences between @JadededViewer's AI-generated posts and their regular posts are extremely amusing.

Why does AI insist on always starting with "Ah"?

Scirocco · 05/03/2025 05:00

What he's doing is what he assesses he needs to do, for his country - and his fellow Ukrainians - to survive.

HelenWheels · 05/03/2025 05:03

America are putting america First

Lavenderfarmcottage · 05/03/2025 05:04

I mean Donald Trump had to force an “apology” by shutting down military aid and Zelensky wants to protect the sovereignty of his nation and people. I think you’d have to a particular kind of idiot to look at this and view Trump with respect and Zelensky as weak. This is the equivalent of a mean kid holding another kids puppy as ransom and telling him to do pull his pants and call him a king, if he wants the puppy to live. Trump is an animal abusing his power & exploiting the office & leadership given to him by the people.

At this point it feels like Trump owes Putin for something - his presidency perhaps.

I cant help but see America in a new light over this. They’ve not only elected Trump but have sections of the public gloating over this. This is a stain on America and I hope the EU builds their army & allegiances over the next decade.

HelenWheels · 05/03/2025 05:07

it was trump and vance's ploy all along
wind up zelensky
force an apology
get their own way

WaryCrow · 05/03/2025 05:22

Thanks to the weakness of Europe, Zelenskyy has no choice at this point. However I also now see little difference between the Russians and the Americans. Installing puppet regimes for the purpose of gaining political advantage and economic extraction?

I sincerely hope that Europe uses the pause to become more self sufficient, in both military and economy. To remember that the entire world does not have history with democracy and compromise and these things are worth protecting. To remember that life is not just about stupid economic theories creating wealth for billionaires! We need less of globalism, more sufficiency in pharmaceuticals, if you insist on forcing people to use tech to communicate that only a very small handful can ever create then we need as much of that produced locally too. Trade should be in luxuries only as far as possible. We are more responsible to our own people who play, live and work by the same rules than we are to foreign elites.

However I expect 5 minutes later it will be back to sleep and business as usual watching all British manufacturing and even the land under our feet sold out to foreign money and oligarchs.

WaryCrow · 05/03/2025 05:25

HelenWheels · 05/03/2025 05:03

America are putting america First

It’s not just within America though is it: they want the entire world for their buffer zone.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 05/03/2025 05:30

Zelensky has to do what's best for Ukraine. I am sure he would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to tell Trump and Vance exactly where to shove their help, and I don't know how he sat there while Trump and Vance bullied him, but as the country's leader he can't afford the self-indulgence of the reactions he would like to give. He HAS to keep calm and play ball with the US. It's a great pity that Ukraine can't defend itself alone, but Russia is absolutely enormous and Ukraine is tiny in comparison. How long can Ukraine keep taking billions in foreign aid and keep on and on fighting? Ukraine could only defeat Russia if there was an all-out world war with all of Europe and North America fighting to defeat Russia, and I don't think anyone wants that.

While I'm absolutely all for fighting back, when I think about the destruction in Ukraine and all the lives lost, I almost think that maybe Zelensky should have negotiated peace long before now, knowing that Russia was too big to defeat. But since he didn't, at least there's the satisfaction of knowing that he wasn't the easy target that Putin expected.

It's very worrying for the futures of the nearby Baltic states. I wish someone would just assassinate Putin. He's so evil.

steamboatbillie · 05/03/2025 05:46

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 05/03/2025 03:15

I think both the USA & Russia especially Russia need reminding of the Budapest Memorandum
on Security Assurances which they both agreed to & signed regarding Ukraine.

This was discussed extensively on another thread,

OneLemonDog posted at 23.36 yesterday and I quote;

"The Trilateral Statement was basically the groundwork to the (more detailed) Budapest Memorandum. It is not a separate agreement.
It gave "security assurances", requiring Russia, the US and the UK to respect Ukraine's borders. It did not give "security guarantees" (which would have obligated the US and UK to intervene upon Russia's invasion)."

aurynne · 05/03/2025 05:50

LunaNorth · 05/03/2025 04:11

Thatcher didn’t seem to give much of a fuck.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you really not know the meaning of the word "most"? For every 500 evil, arrogant, greedy men leading countries out there there may be one Thatcher or two. My statement still stands.

steamboatbillie · 05/03/2025 06:21

Latest News - USA has stopped UK sharing intelligence from Washington about Ukraine with Ukraine.

It seems Trump gave a speech overnight.

No doubt more information will filter through to us in due course.....