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The Orange Man and the State of his Union - Trump thread #139

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Spandauer · 04/03/2025 08:12

Thanks to @JoshLymanSwagger for the thread title.

Trump, Vance and Musk are building a bigly bridge across the Bering Strait...
...and creating a gaping chasm in the Atlantic.

Kind hearts are more than coronets, and simple faith than Norman blood.
Alfred Lord Tennyson

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An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138 | Mumsnet

With a side order of Vance, Zuckerberg and Netanyahu.* (*Other flavours are available) ^Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invin...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5275361-an-unholy-trinity-or-just-a-seedy-threesome-trump-musk-and-putin-trump-thread-138

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Talkinpeace · 09/03/2025 12:28

RosaMoline · 09/03/2025 11:56

I was thinking that if he dies soon (if only) - more than likely a heart attack or stroke - then the MAGAs would riot violently as they would not accept it was natural causes.

President Vance is a pretty scary thought though.

Mrsbloggz · 09/03/2025 12:52

Igotjelly · 09/03/2025 12:25

Well thank goodness they took him out and the threat is over. I mean it's not like there are loads of people with automatic weapons who will happily take his place is it!🤠

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GildedRage · 09/03/2025 15:30

His administration is stirring up so much discord in so many areas locally, within the US and globally.
I have an acquaintance who is deep into the conspiracy world everything is a “sign” the end times are near…she’s deep into the Trump madness. 51st greatness. Covid was bad enough now this. Very anti Canada due to the monarchy (failed nation). Disappointing/scary. Oh and the ailing pope, everything is lining up.

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2025 16:11

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.” — Henry Kissinger, former US Secretary of State

or:

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

notthisoldlineagain · 09/03/2025 16:20

Spandauer · 07/03/2025 12:36

Sadly I don't think Mars will have him.

https://defector.com/neither-elon-musk-nor-anybody-else-will-ever-colonize-mars

NB I know next to nothing about any planet's viability to sustain human life so can't comment on this veracity of this report 😐

That's a shame. I think this is Musk's main aim, so all of this is for nothing then. You wouldn't try and wreak destruction on a world you intend to stay on.

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2025 16:36

Here's an idea ...

The Orange Man and the State of his Union - Trump thread #139
user9876543211 · 09/03/2025 17:11

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 08/03/2025 18:56

That's a meme I'd like to save and re-use if I may @user9876543211

@biscuitandcake I really do think there are a lot of Russian troll farm employees out there. Observing over the last three years, there seems to be distinct phases of their posts. They seem to have certain lines to push. With the US having gone the way it has, the post-Prigozin troll factories must be working very hard atm.

Of course! I swiped it (pre-election) off of the social media site that can no longer be visited 😅

Mrsbloggz · 09/03/2025 18:01

Worth a listen/watch

this isn't magga y this isn't toddler syndrome this isn't even incompetence this is too much too soon too holistic.

This isn't an abdication of American power, this isn't mismanagement, this is a deliberate disassembly of the building blocks of American power and security and safety.
This isn't anything that I would think that any American would ever want much less orchestrate, which has pushed me into the realm of some some conspiracy theories.

I think we now need to consider that the Russians really have penetrated the White House and while I think it's a stretch to say this is like a Manchurian Candidate sort of situation there are too many things happening that seem too tailored to hobble American capacity long run, and everything that was on this list is something that the Russians have tried before.

NATO is something they've been trying to destroy since the s and now we have a possibility of the US just walking away. The military has been the bulwark of Global Security and so gutting it from the inside is something they would love to see, our Intel system has been the canary in the coal mine and it appears that Trump is either not receiving or not reading the Daily Brief that the agency produces for him every day.

The food supply situation in the United States has long been the world's safest and now we're not even testing to maintain it.
The demographic of Russia is one of the main reasons why the Russians are facing such a bleak long-term future but if you interfere with the vaccine schedule in the United States you can start increasing the death rate in Americans and start to equalize that situation.

This is some heavy stuff and what we're going to be doing in the next few videos are exploring all of this from the Russian point of view how they see the world how they influence the world and given the chance how they would redirect American policy to serve their interests I would love to say this is hypothetical but I've already got a dozen examples in addition to the ones I just shared with you about how that is already happening so buckle up because for the first time since I started doing this years ago I'm actually worried for the United States

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GildedRage · 09/03/2025 18:30

@PerkingFaintly thank you for the elliot higgen's info.
i you tubed one of his lectures between that and some of the q&a it was really informative not to mention helpful regarding my acquaintance who is deep into conspiracy and the apocalypse.
basically you can't change the views of someone who has gone down that rabbit hole and that a combination of negative life events started them on the disinformation trajectory. the two types of bad actors was equally interesting.

GildedRage · 09/03/2025 18:44

@Mrsbloggz not sure if you are in the usa sorry if not but your food supply is NOT safe. you need to follow the bees and the beekeepers huge losses in the usa. the monoculture of mass producing food for export means you have a very poor supply after all you might have (in the past) grown lots of corn or soy BUT you can't make a meal of corn or soy alone.
currently you're seeing sickness in your birds and hence the price of eggs are high. the same could happen to the cattle which relies on a steady stream of hormones and antibiotics.
if your food supply was so good why import from mexico (cheaper labor yes) again without cheap immigrant temporary workers who will work the us farms?
sadly north american youth don't enjoy planting or picking.

my latest farm magazine listed the price for bee assistants at $14 CAD per hour that's minimum wage who would do that work on massive remote farms, in the heat with bees that sting you when you could earn the same at starbucks?

CaveMum · 09/03/2025 19:01

Just saw this on Facebook, apparently a response taken from Quora where someone asked why Brits don’t like Trump:

“Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?”

Mrsbloggz · 09/03/2025 19:08

GildedRage · 09/03/2025 18:44

@Mrsbloggz not sure if you are in the usa sorry if not but your food supply is NOT safe. you need to follow the bees and the beekeepers huge losses in the usa. the monoculture of mass producing food for export means you have a very poor supply after all you might have (in the past) grown lots of corn or soy BUT you can't make a meal of corn or soy alone.
currently you're seeing sickness in your birds and hence the price of eggs are high. the same could happen to the cattle which relies on a steady stream of hormones and antibiotics.
if your food supply was so good why import from mexico (cheaper labor yes) again without cheap immigrant temporary workers who will work the us farms?
sadly north american youth don't enjoy planting or picking.

my latest farm magazine listed the price for bee assistants at $14 CAD per hour that's minimum wage who would do that work on massive remote farms, in the heat with bees that sting you when you could earn the same at starbucks?

Thanks for your reply, I'm not in the US and my post was part of the transcript from the video that I linked to.

JoshLymanSwagger · 09/03/2025 19:19

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
Well, quite.
A shape-shifting coward of a man who has re-invented his family history to suit his own ends.

Zonder · 09/03/2025 21:03

@CaveMum that's spot on!

TokyoSushi · 09/03/2025 22:38

Mark Carney to succeed Trudeau as the next PM of Canada.

I quite liked him at the BoE, let's see how he gets on with Trump..,

DuncinToffee · 09/03/2025 22:40

He has a great taste in football teams Wink

CaveMum · 09/03/2025 22:59

TRIP Leading have done 2 interviews with Mark Carney, most recently just a week or so ago. He comes across as a good egg.

He also did a bit of a skit on one of the late night US talk shows referring to Canada and the USA as “friends with benefits”, so he’s got a sense of humour.

Brinny · 09/03/2025 23:01

CaveMum · 09/03/2025 19:01

Just saw this on Facebook, apparently a response taken from Quora where someone asked why Brits don’t like Trump:

“Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
‘My God… what… have… I… created?”

Here here, well said excellent delivery of what most Brits think 🤔 And I do for one .Yet those in Pensilvania still adore him ,it begs the question why? So I read today they agree with most of what he says,maybe they are insulated from reality .

CaveMum · 09/03/2025 23:01

Wow, just seen the Canadian ballot results - wasn’t even close! Carney got 86% of the votes cast!

Spandauer · 09/03/2025 23:05

Maybe these detentions regularly happened in the past and weren't reported but I feel travel to the USA is going to be more and more unpredictable and potentially unpleasant if your face doesn't fit.

German tourist held in US detention for 8 weeks and now a British tourist also detained at border with Canada - I believe due to a visa mistake. Reports of a 2nd German tourist being held now in separate case.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trumps-immigration-crackdown-hits-tourists-german-woman-locked-ice-detention-no-charges-1731607

from Bluesky:
Becky Burke of Book Island (a picture book publisher in the UK) was "detained" by ICE at the Canadian border on 2/28. Her father asked that her story be shared in case someone can help her. He writes:
Our daughter Becky, a 28-year-old British tourist, has been caught up in the recent immigration crackdown in the US. What was meant to be a life-changing four-month backpacking trip across North America has turned into a nightmare.
Despite being a tourist with no criminal record, she was handcuffed and taken to a detention facility in Tacoma, Washington.
Becky’s current conditions are deeply concerning. She is sharing a cell, surviving on a diet of cold rice, potatoes, and beans (she is vegan), and has limited access to phone calls. Visitors are restricted to speaking through a glass screen via telephone.
All her possessions have been confiscated, and she feels isolated and desperate to come home.

Jessica Brösche

German Woman Locked in ICE Detention with No Charges

A young tattoo artist from Berlin was detained while trying to go from Tijuana, Mexico, to San Diego despite having a valid visa.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/trumps-immigration-crackdown-hits-tourists-german-woman-locked-ice-detention-no-charges-1731607

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GildedRage · 09/03/2025 23:06

@CaveMum i think at this point of dealing with trump he is the better choice. but his fiscal policies (see the interview with theresa may are poor, and his climate vision is not what many canadians want pipeline from coast to coast).

cakeorwine · 09/03/2025 23:14

It's the World Cup next year,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c36wk4djzego

Lots of potential booing incidents and clearly some football fans will not be welcome or even able to get into the USA because of the changes brought about by Trump.

It's also co-hosted with the USA, Mexico and Canada

US President Donald Trump holds up a signed document

Fifa World Cup 2026: Donald Trump says co-host tensions will make tournament 'more exciting'

Donald Trump says the tensions between the United States and its 2026 World Cup co-hosts Canada and Mexico will make the tournament "more exciting".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c36wk4djzego

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