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The Orange Man and the State of his Union - Trump thread #139

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Spandauer · 04/03/2025 08:12

Thanks to @JoshLymanSwagger for the thread title.

Trump, Vance and Musk are building a bigly bridge across the Bering Strait...
...and creating a gaping chasm in the Atlantic.

Kind hearts are more than coronets, and simple faith than Norman blood.
Alfred Lord Tennyson

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An unholy trinity or just a seedy threesome: Trump, Musk and Putin? - Trump thread #138 | Mumsnet

With a side order of Vance, Zuckerberg and Netanyahu.* (*Other flavours are available) ^Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invin...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5275361-an-unholy-trinity-or-just-a-seedy-threesome-trump-musk-and-putin-trump-thread-138

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Talkinpeace · 06/03/2025 20:29

I've decided to stop worrying about what he does

because by the time I've finished reading about it

he'll have reversed it

Igotjelly · 06/03/2025 20:36

He saw the stock markets and shat the bed. Just shows Trudeau was right to stand his ground so firmly. Hoping whoever replaces him is similarly minded.

cakeorwine · 06/03/2025 20:39

Igotjelly · 06/03/2025 20:36

He saw the stock markets and shat the bed. Just shows Trudeau was right to stand his ground so firmly. Hoping whoever replaces him is similarly minded.

US Jobs data coming out tomorrow

"It's the economy stupid" as Reagan said

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CaveMum · 06/03/2025 20:44

Igotjelly · 06/03/2025 20:36

He saw the stock markets and shat the bed. Just shows Trudeau was right to stand his ground so firmly. Hoping whoever replaces him is similarly minded.

Have a listen to the TRIP Leading interviews with both candidates for the Leadership . I’d say either way Canada will be fine, especially as the rhetoric coming out of the US is only pushing voters to the Liberals.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/leading/id1665265193?i=1000696791036

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 20:57

He is going to grow concrete next

Trump: "We don't need Canada's lumber. So what I'm doing is I'll be signing an executive order freeing up our forests so that we're allowed to take down trees and make a lot of money and then re-harvest trees ... we don't need anything from Canada."

SerendipityJane · 06/03/2025 21:01

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 20:57

He is going to grow concrete next

Trump: "We don't need Canada's lumber. So what I'm doing is I'll be signing an executive order freeing up our forests so that we're allowed to take down trees and make a lot of money and then re-harvest trees ... we don't need anything from Canada."

So no 51st state then ?

SerendipityJane · 06/03/2025 21:10

Apparently the Senate have been having words with Musk.

SerendipityJane · 06/03/2025 21:19

*This transcript was generated by a third-party transcription software company, so please excuse any typos. Following humiliation after humiliation at town halls across the country. The chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee, which is the campaign arm of Republicans in the House of Representatives as a man by the name of Richard Hudson, a Republican representative from North Carolina. He officially told the party this week, no more town halls. We are done. Reiterating what? Of course, Mike Johnson had said last week, like, Hey guys, stop doing it. But this time, the guy in charge of the money says, don't you dare go out there and hold another town hall in person. You want to do it over Zoom, do it over zoom where we can control, but don't go out there in public because they're asking some really tough, difficult questions that we obviously can't answer. So we just pretend that these are all a bunch of paid protesters, right? In fact, Mike Johnson, Republican speaker went as far as to say this the other day. There are people who do this as a profession. They're professional protestors, they're professional. They do this as a profession. So I'm gonna go ahead and put this offer out here right now immediately. If anyone can show me proof that they themselves have been paid to show up at a Republican town hall and ask a tough question, you show me a pay stub, you show me communications to where an organization said, we will pay you to do this, you show me that, and I will absolutely issue the biggest correction, retraction, uh, statement you guys have ever seen. I will humble myself. I'll tell you what, I'll go a step further. I'll eat my words. Quite literally. I will take these papers right here, stick 'em in a blender, and drink it like a milkshake. But you have to send me that irrefutable evidence that that did in fact happen for you, and you gotta show me that you actually received the money. You do that. I'll eat my words right here on Ring of Fire. But until then, there is a solution because where Republicans are refusing to go out there and talk to their own voters instead writing them off as paid protestors so they don't have to act like they're getting any pushback. Minnesota governor and former Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, Tim Walls has suggested, you know what? If Republicans aren't gonna go talk to their constituents, maybe I will. Walls announced this week saying, quote, if your Republican representative won't meet with you because their agenda is so unpopular, maybe a Democrat will, hell, maybe I will. Now, that's not exactly saying I'm gonna do this, but I think Walls needs to get there and say like, I will do this. I will travel around Minnesota. If you've got a Republican representative that won't come back to their district, I'll see you next week. I'll be there Tuesday. I'll be there Thursday. I will sit and talk with you and listen to your concerns. That's how leadership should be in the Democratic Party right now. The fact that the Democratic Party has not jumped all over this issue and started holding town halls in these Republican districts where these Republicans are running away from blows my mind, and it shows the complete and total incompetence of the Democratic Party itself. Tim Walls should not have to be the guy that comes out here and says, okay, I'll do it. Bernie Sanders should not have to be the guy saying, okay, I'll go tour the Red States and talk to people about economic issues. Why is it that these two elderly white guys have to be the ones carrying the entire Democratic party and showing them how it's done?

AcrossthePond55 · 06/03/2025 21:26

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 20:57

He is going to grow concrete next

Trump: "We don't need Canada's lumber. So what I'm doing is I'll be signing an executive order freeing up our forests so that we're allowed to take down trees and make a lot of money and then re-harvest trees ... we don't need anything from Canada."

OMG, "re-harvest trees"? Fucking idiot thinks lumber is like fruit & veg. Harvest this year's 'crop' then just grow another crop for next year, you know, like carrots or apples. His ignorance is astounding.

The average time it takes to replace a tree harvested for lumber, from seedling to harvest-size, is 20 to 30 years .

CaveMum · 06/03/2025 21:34

AcrossthePond55 · 06/03/2025 21:26

OMG, "re-harvest trees"? Fucking idiot thinks lumber is like fruit & veg. Harvest this year's 'crop' then just grow another crop for next year, you know, like carrots or apples. His ignorance is astounding.

The average time it takes to replace a tree harvested for lumber, from seedling to harvest-size, is 20 to 30 years .

Edited

Ahh, but you forget that Americun* trees are biglyer and better than those forrin Canadian trees. You just plant ‘em and stand there chanting “USA! USA!” and watch them grow!

*deliberate spelling

Lalgarh · 06/03/2025 21:36

Russia's demands in terms of a ceasefire being listed on Sky.

Includes Ukraine army reducing to 50,000 and Russia getting a veto on anything related to the conflict at the UN. There will be a meeting in Saudi next week. Trump now saying he might go along too.

Look out MBS. If any enraged jihadists take a potshot at the mango Mussolini after his Gaza BANTZ AI on your soil it's an act of war

Igotjelly · 06/03/2025 21:43

Lalgarh · 06/03/2025 21:36

Russia's demands in terms of a ceasefire being listed on Sky.

Includes Ukraine army reducing to 50,000 and Russia getting a veto on anything related to the conflict at the UN. There will be a meeting in Saudi next week. Trump now saying he might go along too.

Look out MBS. If any enraged jihadists take a potshot at the mango Mussolini after his Gaza BANTZ AI on your soil it's an act of war

Sorry totally missing the point but I love mango Mussolini 😂😂😂😂

GildedRage · 06/03/2025 21:54

PP is not as polished as MC but MC business dealings and bigging up his accomplishments are equally in the public sphere.
I want to hear more concrete plans for reducing our dependency on the US and what businesses are going to set up shop here.
T has again flip flopped on most goods. I’m not sure what the CA response is to the tariff threat.

tobee · 06/03/2025 22:04

Quick recommendation, I read it decades ago, it was published in 1989 (for gawds sake) and was a spin off from the Hollywood title, but it's a quick and entertaining read, Washington Babylon by Shelly Ross. Goes through the scandals surrounding all the US presidents from GW himself to 1989. NOT to be confused with others of the same title with different content.

The Orange Man and the State of his Union - Trump thread #139
Lalgarh · 06/03/2025 22:17

Igotjelly · 06/03/2025 21:43

Sorry totally missing the point but I love mango Mussolini 😂😂😂😂

I got it from someone on these threads!

CaveMum · 06/03/2025 23:10

Heading to bed but leaving this here first 🤣

Let’s see what shitstorm evolves overnight…

The Orange Man and the State of his Union - Trump thread #139
BlackeyedSusan · 06/03/2025 23:42

The Today Programme pod cast was very interesting tonight. ( BBC R4, 11.02pm)

user9876543211 · 07/03/2025 00:07

CaveMum · 06/03/2025 18:57

On the “transgender mice” debacle, the democrats are not helping themselves. Listening to Pod Save America this week, they made jokes about it in reference to women’s sports and later one of the presenters appeared to be defending the idea of a trans-mice research project.

There were two references to it in the episode (AI transcript so forgive any errors):

First reference:

“8 million dollars for making mice transgender. 10 million dollars for male circumcision in Mozambique. 20 million dollars for the Arab Sesame Street in the Middle East.

8 million to make mice transgender and 8 million to turn them back. And some of those mice, by the way, what's so fucking terrible is that some of those trans mice then like kind of defeated a bunch of other mice in all these mazes. And it's like, is that fair to have trans mice competing against cisgender mice in a maze?

What I know is nice is that he brought one of those trans mice to the State Of the Union and it was sitting right next to Melania.

Yeah, made him head of the park service.”

Second reference:

“It's also, look, again, it's like, defending these programs is always a trap. And it's like, fine, we live in a world where defending really good things is a trap. But a lot of science sounds ridiculous until it makes the world a much better place.

You could probably go back and describe research into stealth airplanes. It's like they're trying to make invisible airplanes. So you can come up with-

You're for the mice. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm for a process of assigning grants that allow you to do medical research in all kinds of ways. We study all kinds of things in mice before we study them in people. And like, of course, of course.”

Now I get his point about the need for scientific research that leads to additional discoveries, but where’s the common sense to question whether the idea of transgender mice are actually a thing first and foremost?

That's Jon Lovett. He was a speechwriter for Obama and worked on HCR's campaign but he's known for being a comedian. He has a comedy podcast called Lovett or Leave It.

It was a joke.

And he's a podcaster, not a politician.

Adding: There are maybe 5 people in the universe listening to the Pod guys who aren't already firmly on the Dem side. It's not remotely a crossover space, so I wouldn't worry too much about a joke they made being used against the Democrats.

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/03/2025 05:30

I see Leons giant penis substitute blew up again.🚀

Oops.

MsJinks · 07/03/2025 07:26

And all those very challenged ATCs have had to spend their time since redirecting planes - perhaps he views it as an ATC check as well as being optimistic (he says we should be) about the learning achieved.
At least US citizens and some of the world can see where the DOGE and USAID savings are going!
Still not sure why they can't leave the 'learning' to NASA.

Spandauer · 07/03/2025 07:47

Ah! As expected.
(I was wondering when they would get round to this again.)

From NYT:
The Trump administration is finalizing a new ban on travel to the United States for citizens of certain countries that would be broader than the versions President Trump issued in his first term, according to two officials familiar with the matter.

A draft recommendation circulating inside the executive branch proposes a “red” list of countries whose citizens Mr. Trump could bar from entering the United States, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive internal deliberations.

One of the officials said the proposed red list currently consists mainly of countries whose nationals were restricted under versions of Mr. Trump’s previous travel ban. Last time, those countries included Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Yemen.

The draft tentatively proposes adding Afghanistan to the group whose citizens would be categorically barred from entering the United States, according to one of the officials. ...
...
...The recommendations also have an “orange” group of countries whose access would be curtailed but not completely barred. For example, only certain types of visas might be issued — like for relatively affluent people traveling for business, but not immigrants or tourists — and the length of visas could be shortened. Applicants would be required to have in-person interviews.

Countries in a third or “yellow” category would be given 60 days to change some perceived deficiencies or they would be added to one of the two other lists, the officials said.

Those issues could include failing to share with the United States information about incoming travelers, purportedly inadequate security practices for issuing passports, or the selling of citizenship to people from banned countries, as a loophole around the restrictions.

It is not clear whether people with existing visas would be exempted from the ban, or if those visas would be canceled. Many Afghans have been approved for resettlement in the United States as refugees or under special visas granted to people who assisted the United States during the war. It is also not clear whether green card holders, who are approved for permanent residency, would be affected.

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user9876543211 · 07/03/2025 09:00

Spandauer · 07/03/2025 07:47

Ah! As expected.
(I was wondering when they would get round to this again.)

From NYT:
The Trump administration is finalizing a new ban on travel to the United States for citizens of certain countries that would be broader than the versions President Trump issued in his first term, according to two officials familiar with the matter.

A draft recommendation circulating inside the executive branch proposes a “red” list of countries whose citizens Mr. Trump could bar from entering the United States, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive internal deliberations.

One of the officials said the proposed red list currently consists mainly of countries whose nationals were restricted under versions of Mr. Trump’s previous travel ban. Last time, those countries included Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Yemen.

The draft tentatively proposes adding Afghanistan to the group whose citizens would be categorically barred from entering the United States, according to one of the officials. ...
...
...The recommendations also have an “orange” group of countries whose access would be curtailed but not completely barred. For example, only certain types of visas might be issued — like for relatively affluent people traveling for business, but not immigrants or tourists — and the length of visas could be shortened. Applicants would be required to have in-person interviews.

Countries in a third or “yellow” category would be given 60 days to change some perceived deficiencies or they would be added to one of the two other lists, the officials said.

Those issues could include failing to share with the United States information about incoming travelers, purportedly inadequate security practices for issuing passports, or the selling of citizenship to people from banned countries, as a loophole around the restrictions.

It is not clear whether people with existing visas would be exempted from the ban, or if those visas would be canceled. Many Afghans have been approved for resettlement in the United States as refugees or under special visas granted to people who assisted the United States during the war. It is also not clear whether green card holders, who are approved for permanent residency, would be affected.

I mean, that's absolutely foul, but can you imagine them actually having the organisational and admin ability to make that happen? In person interviews. 😂

BustingBaoBun · 07/03/2025 09:10

Footage of Trump's first 'cabinet meeting' where Trump told Cabinet Secretaries they were in charge. They all cheered Musk but then Musk, who was present, stood up to say last week Trump on TruthSocial and in a phone call told him to 'be more aggressive' and I was. Whiney Baby Musk saying 'don't blame me' !

It must be a complete nightmare being in the Administration because Trump can't remember from one minute to the next what he has said.

The footage is in this article
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/trump-cabinet-musk-025093

Igotjelly · 07/03/2025 09:20

BustingBaoBun · 07/03/2025 09:10

Footage of Trump's first 'cabinet meeting' where Trump told Cabinet Secretaries they were in charge. They all cheered Musk but then Musk, who was present, stood up to say last week Trump on TruthSocial and in a phone call told him to 'be more aggressive' and I was. Whiney Baby Musk saying 'don't blame me' !

It must be a complete nightmare being in the Administration because Trump can't remember from one minute to the next what he has said.

The footage is in this article
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/06/trump-cabinet-musk-025093

Rory Stewart says working like Boris was the same, you had to make sure to be the last person he spoke to before he took a formal decision because he changed his mind so often and was so easily persuaded. I suspect it’s what comes from politicians who have no real policies or moral compass that informs the decisions that they make.

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