To think - how awful schools really are

[Ippimi]

I remember hating school when I went to school. But that was a long time ago now. I'd kind of forgotten about it.

I work for a training company that usually delivers training programmes to businesses. I usually teach adults. I'm not working in the UK at the moment. I'm working in a different country in Europe.

However we recently got asked to design a training programme for a local school. So for the last couple of weeks I've been going in and talking to the children in a school about a topic.

Going into the school- and looking at it as an adult - I just think it's so so awful. Why do we do this to children

The children are not allowed to move , they're not allowed to talk. The teacher yells at them to be quiet all the time.

I understand this is the school system everywhere. I remember that I hated school as a child and I felt trapped. But when I look at it from an adults eyes, it looks even worse.

when I look at it as an adult, it really seems like emotional abuse of children.

It also seems like such a waste of their young years.

They should be playing and having some fun.

They're not allowed to move or talk. And they get shouted at A lot. It just seems like they're getting indoctrinated to not think for themselves and to follow orders. The school system is just awful and needs to change in my opinion

If you are talking in the cinema to the person next to you while the film is going on, please shut the fuck up.

Sincerely,
Everyone else in the cinema.

The children do listen to the teachers.

However if they so much as ask for a pen from the child next to them, they get shouted at.

We wouldn't do that to adults. People do it to kids.its an abuse of power in my opinion

But if everyone started talking??? The fundamental understanding in these scenarios is that you don’t talk. It’s disruptive, it means you’re not listening. When you go and do these talks is it ok for all the audience to be ignoring you and talking about what happened on love island last night??

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how silly!

Not talking for gods sake.

But you can whisper to the person next to you.

I've never talked out loud. I've whispered. Everyone does.

I'm not sure what school you went into but none of that matches my children's descriptions.

And when I am training adults I expect them to focus and listen when I am talking to them and not talking over me.

But go ahead, try and teach people without setting any rules around when they speak or move.

And the children aren’t listening if they’re talking. Trust me.

Its incredibly rude to whisper when someone is explaining something, whether you are an adult or a child.

A cinema is not the same as the classroom

So you are judging all schools in the world based on a small sample from one school?

People keep putting up with schools because it's been done the same way for a long time

And also no one cares really about children's feelings or rights in schools.

The more I look at things, I just feel it's awful.

I see children crying every day in this school, from the Bad circumstances

Whispering IS talking.
Talking in the cinema while the film is on is rude.
Students talking (yes, even whispering) while the teacher is talking is disruptive.
It sounds like the teacher didn't address it in the most polite way, but students need to be silent while the teacher is talking.

I think schools are mostly awful though I don't think that the expectation that children be quiet in class when the teacher is talking is awful at all.

I never said i know how every single school operates. We can only talk about our own experiences.

I'm talking about this school that I'm working in. I also remember the school that I went to myself. If I ever meet anyone from it we say that we "survived the school"

And also ive heard from my friends /colleagues , who have told me about their awful school days.

Children in school need to be quiet at times. They are allowed to talk quietly when working in pairs or groups, during art class etc.

Judging all schools from a sample of 3 or 4 is crazy. I wasn't the happiest at school, but 90% of that was due to other pupils, not the staff.

My primary school - I loved my primary school and I love my children’s primary school now.

My high school in West London - Had an awful ethos and bad teaching. The teachers seemed disengaged and uninterested and it felt more important they stamp their authority on the class, instead making real connections. I looked recently at their ofsted score and their most recent inspection was marked inadequate, so it’s objectively shite.

However OP, I think your claim would carry more weight if you’d visited more than one school and experienced more than one teacher in that school. Good schools and teachers exist and there’s plenty of them.

It's not a sample of one

If you read the thread.

Learning there are times you need to be quiet is good. It stops people growing into adults who feel it’s ok to whisper in cinemas!

You are being ridiculous, and you don't have enough experience to make a judgement about all schools. Children should not be talking during lessons without raising a hand unless the teacher has asked them to discuss something in groups or with partners.

How on earth would a teacher be able to teach 30 children if they were all chatting away to each other. The children should respect their teachers, but sadly, many are brought up to be very rude these days. Like you, talking in the cinema.

I did experience more than one teacher in this school.

I've written that.

I go into six different classrooms in this school, with six different teachers.

Spot the teacher here!

If they're that quiet, how would the teacher even know?

Why are they crying? Maybe they should learn when to talk and when to be quiet and listen?
Multiple children crying because they’re not allowed to spend a class chatting to their mates sounds pretty hard to believe.

Train as a teacher and do a better job.

How old are the children?
Are they being yelled at or just being asked to stop talking and listen?

Because they lean over to the next child and whisper in their ear. She can see that