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Ukraine Invasion: Part 54

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MagicFox · 16/02/2025 18:23

We're on 54. Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/02/2025 21:24

here, @MissConductUS

Exclusive: Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia planning
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth last week ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions, according to three people familiar with the matter.
Hegseth gave the instruction to Cyber Command chief Gen. Timothy Haugh, who then informed the organization's outgoing director of operations, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Ryan Heritage, of the new guidance, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
The order does not apply to the National Security Agency, which Haugh also leads, or its signals intelligence work targeting Russia, the sources said.
While the full scope of Hegseth’s directive to the command remains unclear, it is more evidence of the White House’s efforts to normalize ties with Moscow after the U.S. and international allies worked to isolate the Kremlin over its 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
President Donald Trump has made a series of false statements and demands that align him with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including blaming Ukraine for the war and calling the country’s leader a dictator.
Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met in Washington on Friday to sign a deal that would give the U.S. access to Ukraine’s mineral resources. However, the deal did not happen following an Oval Office shouting match between the two leaders.
The exact duration of Hegseth’s order is unknown, though the command has been told the guidance will last for the foreseeable future, according to sources.
Heritage, who is expected to retire soon, knows all of the command’s mission packages and whether they are in a planning or execution stage. He would be responsible for contacting the relevant entities and telling them to hold off. That task likely extends to the 16th Air Force (Air Forces Cyber), the outfit responsible for planning and conducting digital operations across U.S. European Command.
The sources said Cyber Command itself has begun compiling a β€œrisk assessment” for Hegseth, a report that acknowledges the organization received his order, lists what ongoing actions or missions were halted as a result of the decision and details what potential threats still emanate from Russia.
The implications of Hegesth’s guidance on the command’s personnel is uncertain. If it applies to its digital warriors focused on Russia, the decision would only affect hundreds of people, including members of the roughly 2,000 strong Cyber National Mission Force and the Cyber Mission Force. That is collectively made up of 5,800 personnel taken from the armed services and divided into teams that conduct offensive and defensive operations in cyberspace. It is believed a quarter of the offensive units are focused on Russia.
However, if the guidance extends to areas like intelligence and analysis or capabilities development, the number of those impacted by the edict grows significantly. The command boasts around 2,000 to 3,000 employees, not counting service components and NSA personnel working there. The organizations share a campus at Fort Meade, Maryland.
Hegseth’s instruction comes at a time when Cyber Command is struggling to staff up to target Mexican drug cartels, eight of which the administration formally labeled as terrorist groups. Trump officials have advocated for military action against cartel figures and infrastructure to stem the flow of drugs across the border.
A command spokesperson deferred a request for comment to the Pentagon. DOD did not respond by publication time.
Effects on Ukraine?
Outside of internal challenges, the order could derail some of the command’s most high-profile missions involving a top U.S. digital adversary, including in Ukraine.
The command sent β€œhunt forward” teams to Kyiv in the run-up to the Kremlin’s assault to harden its digital defenses. It has since paid close attention to how Moscow uses its digital capabilities, especially for intelligence purposes.
Russia is also a bastion for cybercrime, with state-linked and criminal ransomware actors striking targets around the globe. The command has become a key player in countering the malicious activity.
In addition, the stand-down order could expose private sector entities in the U.S. and around the world to greater risk if the command is not keeping Moscow’s intelligence and military services, which both feature notorious hacker groups, at bay.
Late last year Microsoft found Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) had targeted government employees and others in dozens of countries to gain access to their devices and systems.

MagicFox · 28/02/2025 21:24

I get the error now too, but the link is correct

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MagicFox · 28/02/2025 21:25

Thanks @DucklingSwimmingInstructress

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Bagpussnotbothered · 28/02/2025 21:25

Fuckers. There's no strategy here; just Trump and Vance engaged in narcissistic bullying. The EU overall has given more assistance than the USA.

In the short term, its terrible for Ukraine. In the medium term, it's terrible for Russia who is starting to feel the strain, demographically and economically. In the long term it will be terrible for the USA. The trust is gone and Europe will look to rearm and rebuild their arsenal.

The bit that's keeping me awake at night is if the US decides to aid Russia with weapons or financial help to push Ukraine into surrender. All bets will be off the table then.

MissConductUS · 28/02/2025 21:26

The WSJ has a good account of exactly how the meeting turned into a car crash:

How Trump’s Polite Meeting with Zelensky Descended into Acrimony

and another on the implications:

Trump-Zelensky Meeting Implodes, Threatening Peace Talks

I'm waiting for more reactions from Congress. I'm sure the WSJ will have an editorial about it later. I'll post the link when it's available.

Igotjelly · 28/02/2025 21:29

MissConductUS · 28/02/2025 21:26

The WSJ has a good account of exactly how the meeting turned into a car crash:

How Trump’s Polite Meeting with Zelensky Descended into Acrimony

and another on the implications:

Trump-Zelensky Meeting Implodes, Threatening Peace Talks

I'm waiting for more reactions from Congress. I'm sure the WSJ will have an editorial about it later. I'll post the link when it's available.

What’s the sense on the ground in the US, I’ve been at a wedding today and even there it was all anyone could discuss and they all resoundingly thought Trump and JD were horrendous.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 28/02/2025 21:36

Was this an out pouring of emotion or a set up? Trump promises to 'end the war on day one' then realises that this is an impossibility because Putin maintains his maximalist war aims and Ukraine wants its land back and NATO membership.
What to do? Trump wants out, he doesn't want to support the guy that backed Biden over him, wants to stop spending on Ukraine's defence and can see the benefit to the USA of reestablishing relationships with Russia.
Easiest solution pick a fight with Zelenskyy in front of the whole world, (get another bully involved so you can berate him together if possible) then hold your hands up and say 'well I tried, that Zelenskyy is impossible to deal with he's not ready for peace. We're out - Europes on its own. Now get me Putin on the phone so we can carve up the rare earth minerals in the occupied territories.'

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/02/2025 21:37

Wasn't Kallas given the brush-off by Rubio today? she went over there for a planned meeting and he cancelled citing 'scheduling clash'?

The EU has GOT to get its act together now. Got to.

dibly · 28/02/2025 21:40

I wondered the same @MMBaranova - statements from the Kremlin ramped up over the last week or so.

@MissConductUS i saw an article in I think the USGuardian on threads that I can’t link to with democrats reactions, appalled in short.

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress Kallas has tweeted apparently that the free world needs a new leader and Europe needs to step up

MagicFox · 28/02/2025 21:40

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 28/02/2025 21:36

Was this an out pouring of emotion or a set up? Trump promises to 'end the war on day one' then realises that this is an impossibility because Putin maintains his maximalist war aims and Ukraine wants its land back and NATO membership.
What to do? Trump wants out, he doesn't want to support the guy that backed Biden over him, wants to stop spending on Ukraine's defence and can see the benefit to the USA of reestablishing relationships with Russia.
Easiest solution pick a fight with Zelenskyy in front of the whole world, (get another bully involved so you can berate him together if possible) then hold your hands up and say 'well I tried, that Zelenskyy is impossible to deal with he's not ready for peace. We're out - Europes on its own. Now get me Putin on the phone so we can carve up the rare earth minerals in the occupied territories.'

That's exactly it, couldn't do the deal so now blames ukraine / Europe

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MissConductUS · 28/02/2025 21:42

Igotjelly · 28/02/2025 21:29

What’s the sense on the ground in the US, I’ve been at a wedding today and even there it was all anyone could discuss and they all resoundingly thought Trump and JD were horrendous.

I suspect it will split along party lines, but we'll see. The reaction in Congress will be telling.

According to the first article I linked, Zelenski lit the fuse as it were:

But Vice President JD Vance interjected. β€œI have to respond,” he said, taking issue with reporters’ questions about Trump’s interactions with Russian President Vladimir Putin. β€œWhat makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That’s what President Trump is doing,” Vance said.

Zelensky shot back, laying out Putin’s yearslong campaign to occupy Ukraine.

From there, the conversation devolved into a tense and personal argument that played out on television cameras in front of millions of viewers, stunning senior officials in Washington and Kyiv and threatening a U.S.-Ukraine deal that could have laid a pathway for bringing the war to a close.

Zelensky was right, of course, but it wasn't wise to contradict Vance on live TV. It also wasn't really on point regarding Trump's discussions with Putin.

MissConductUS · 28/02/2025 21:48

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/02/2025 21:24

here, @MissConductUS

Exclusive: Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia planning
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth last week ordered U.S. Cyber Command to stand down from all planning against Russia, including offensive digital actions, according to three people familiar with the matter.
Hegseth gave the instruction to Cyber Command chief Gen. Timothy Haugh, who then informed the organization's outgoing director of operations, Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Ryan Heritage, of the new guidance, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
The order does not apply to the National Security Agency, which Haugh also leads, or its signals intelligence work targeting Russia, the sources said.
While the full scope of Hegseth’s directive to the command remains unclear, it is more evidence of the White House’s efforts to normalize ties with Moscow after the U.S. and international allies worked to isolate the Kremlin over its 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
President Donald Trump has made a series of false statements and demands that align him with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including blaming Ukraine for the war and calling the country’s leader a dictator.
Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met in Washington on Friday to sign a deal that would give the U.S. access to Ukraine’s mineral resources. However, the deal did not happen following an Oval Office shouting match between the two leaders.
The exact duration of Hegseth’s order is unknown, though the command has been told the guidance will last for the foreseeable future, according to sources.
Heritage, who is expected to retire soon, knows all of the command’s mission packages and whether they are in a planning or execution stage. He would be responsible for contacting the relevant entities and telling them to hold off. That task likely extends to the 16th Air Force (Air Forces Cyber), the outfit responsible for planning and conducting digital operations across U.S. European Command.
The sources said Cyber Command itself has begun compiling a β€œrisk assessment” for Hegseth, a report that acknowledges the organization received his order, lists what ongoing actions or missions were halted as a result of the decision and details what potential threats still emanate from Russia.
The implications of Hegesth’s guidance on the command’s personnel is uncertain. If it applies to its digital warriors focused on Russia, the decision would only affect hundreds of people, including members of the roughly 2,000 strong Cyber National Mission Force and the Cyber Mission Force. That is collectively made up of 5,800 personnel taken from the armed services and divided into teams that conduct offensive and defensive operations in cyberspace. It is believed a quarter of the offensive units are focused on Russia.
However, if the guidance extends to areas like intelligence and analysis or capabilities development, the number of those impacted by the edict grows significantly. The command boasts around 2,000 to 3,000 employees, not counting service components and NSA personnel working there. The organizations share a campus at Fort Meade, Maryland.
Hegseth’s instruction comes at a time when Cyber Command is struggling to staff up to target Mexican drug cartels, eight of which the administration formally labeled as terrorist groups. Trump officials have advocated for military action against cartel figures and infrastructure to stem the flow of drugs across the border.
A command spokesperson deferred a request for comment to the Pentagon. DOD did not respond by publication time.
Effects on Ukraine?
Outside of internal challenges, the order could derail some of the command’s most high-profile missions involving a top U.S. digital adversary, including in Ukraine.
The command sent β€œhunt forward” teams to Kyiv in the run-up to the Kremlin’s assault to harden its digital defenses. It has since paid close attention to how Moscow uses its digital capabilities, especially for intelligence purposes.
Russia is also a bastion for cybercrime, with state-linked and criminal ransomware actors striking targets around the globe. The command has become a key player in countering the malicious activity.
In addition, the stand-down order could expose private sector entities in the U.S. and around the world to greater risk if the command is not keeping Moscow’s intelligence and military services, which both feature notorious hacker groups, at bay.
Late last year Microsoft found Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) had targeted government employees and others in dozens of countries to gain access to their devices and systems.

They're being told to stand down from offensive operations, not drop intelligence gathering and dissemination.

It's worth pointing out that there are other organizations within the US government that have offensive cyber capabilities that are not covered by this order.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/02/2025 21:52

It doesn't matter what tiny little minor mistake Zelenskyy made, Trump and Vance were gigantic bullies. It's 0.01% slight roughness by Zelenskyy, and 99.99% those two behaving appallingly.

I wonder what China is making of all this. Broad smiles, I imagine.

SkyOfficer · 28/02/2025 21:52

As if that man said not wearing a suit was disrespectful, whilst having a rapist sat there in the office...

Whatsinanamehey · 28/02/2025 21:54

Just come on to offer my support after watching the despicable bullies Trump and Vance ambush poor Zelensky. He held it together really well considering how they treated him and the pressure he is under.
Trump is a disgrace and his MAGA fans are like a cult, disgusting isn't the word.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/02/2025 21:54

I suspect the Five Eyes is dead now.

Whatsinanamehey · 28/02/2025 21:56

SkyOfficer · 28/02/2025 21:52

As if that man said not wearing a suit was disrespectful, whilst having a rapist sat there in the office...

Exactly, talk about priorities. I feel thoroughly sorry for all the decent Americans who have to put up with that orange clown.

Llttledrummergirl · 28/02/2025 21:59

Somehow I've found myself following this page. They are on both blue-sky and Facebook. They aren't impressed by Trump and trying to coordinate action.

https://bsky.app/profile/altnps.bsky.social

https://www.facebook.com/share/1FieKE5fgN/

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 28/02/2025 22:01

It will be interesting to watch Starmer walk the tightrope of cringing, sycophantic diplomacy with Trump after this shitshow.

Igotjelly · 28/02/2025 22:03

Llttledrummergirl · 28/02/2025 21:59

Somehow I've found myself following this page. They are on both blue-sky and Facebook. They aren't impressed by Trump and trying to coordinate action.

https://bsky.app/profile/altnps.bsky.social

https://www.facebook.com/share/1FieKE5fgN/

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As have I and no idea how πŸ˜‚

Just watched TRIP US on YouTube and they are hearing that in private the Russians are freaked out by the unpredictability of all of this.

PerkingFaintly · 28/02/2025 22:10

PiggyPigalle · 28/02/2025 20:46

Switch the days. Had this happened yesterday, would the invitation for a State Visit be made today?

God knows. Everything's having to be re-calculated now.

WinterMorn · 28/02/2025 22:15

@Llttledrummergirl the AltPark bunch are going to be well worth a watch πŸ™‚

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 28/02/2025 22:18

Maybe the Russians will see it as gameplay. It certainly doesn't corroborate what they have been force fed by their leaders and media for years, that the West and NATO are out to get them.

I can't quite believe my own eyes and ears, but I reluctantly have to. It's out in the light, no more speculation on why trump does this and that, what is he really thinking etc, it's a waste of energy and an unnecessary distraction. We are dealing with a new world order and we have to take stop trying to win this US administration over. They cannot be trusted in the same way that putin can't. They will always hold 'the cards' over our heads.

PerkingFaintly · 28/02/2025 22:21

SkyOfficer · 28/02/2025 21:52

As if that man said not wearing a suit was disrespectful, whilst having a rapist sat there in the office...

It's a weirdness about MAGAs that whatever criticism anyone makes of their tinpot gods, they immediately repeat back as criticism of their "enemies".

If there hadn't been comment about Musk's informal dress while holding court in the Oval Office and cabinet room, then it wouldn't have occured to MTG's boyfriend to comment on Zelensky's clothes.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 28/02/2025 22:23

it's something that has come up before actually @PerkingFaintly more than once in the last 3 years. So it might have, given that the current administration in the States are all for pretty, poisoned caramel meals and no solid sustenance.

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