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Ukraine Invasion: Part 54

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MagicFox · 16/02/2025 18:23

We're on 54. Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2025 22:43

In fact I'd go so far as to say that anyone wanting to claim that this

"The US is just going to sign a contract with both sides and sit back and see who wins. Then collect from the winner"

is NOT the plan, will have to make a clear reasoned argument as to WHY not. Because what I've just outlined is the rational transactional course of action.

(It happens in this case also to fit the track-record of the person in the hotseat, who as discussed on another thread today habitually uses the "cats fighting in a sack" tactic to keep his subordinates at each others' throats and competing for his favour.)

PerkingFaintly · 25/02/2025 23:36

I have a family member who's keen that everyone else's decisions should be driven by ethics and what the neighbours think and the importance of not hurting (her) feelings.

While it's perfectly fine for her to be transactional, bullying and serve her own interest.

As distraction from what she's doing, she sprays out pseudo-reasons and guilt-trips to amuse the enemy.

So I know only too well how painful and damaging it is for honest, decent, diligent, fair people, who try to assume others are in good faith, to deal with this horse-shit. We tie ourselves up in knots trying to somehow see their POV or think about how we might be the one in the wrong. And it's all a complete waste of time and effort, because the trash coming out of their mouths was never intended to contain truth: only to paralyse us.

It's nasty to be on the receiving end of. But on the plus side, I'm now very practised in letting the emotionally manipulative shit slide off, and cutting straight through to, "You want transactional? OK, we'll do transactional. No asymetrical warfare gonna go down here, chum."

blueshoes · 26/02/2025 01:02

@PerkingFaintly your family member sounds toxic. It is good that you see through her devices.

I was struck when you said that "the trash coming out of their mouths was never intended to contain truth: only to paralyse us". It does, doesn't. The fire hose of bilge freezes your brain because you have barely processed the first sentence and the next piece of nonsense comes at you and whilst you are trying to reconcile the first with the second, the third throws you off again. Our mistake is to even try to make sense of it.

When you spoke of transactional, I wasn't sure whether it was Trump or Putin you were talking about. They are alike, two sides of the same coin? I'd bet good money that Putin is smarter.

Will the discussions between Trump and Putin confound the law of physics, as in an irresistible force meets an immovable object or be like Schrodinger's Cat - a peace deal and not a peace deal at the same time.

Sorry I am babbling now. Will go to bed soon.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 08:11

because the trash coming out of their mouths was never intended to contain truth: only to paralyse us.

nicely encapsulated.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 08:13

At the bottom of all this, all Trump's shenanigans and attempts to 'do a Deal' and rip Ukraine off, is the fact that The US guarenteed Ukraine's freedom.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 08:29

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚑️BREAKING: Kyiv, Washington reach agreement on minerals deal (kyivindependent.com/breaking-kyiv-washington-reach-agreement-on-minerals-deal/).
According to the Financial Times, Ukraine secured more favorable terms and framed the deal as a way to strengthen ties with the U.S.

⚑️'Military equipment and the right to fight on' (kyivindependent.com/military-equipment-and-the-right-to-fight-on-trump-on-what-minerals-deal-gives-ukraine/) β€” Trump on what US minerals deal gives Ukraine.
Trump said Zelensky would visit the White House on Feb. 28 to sign the deal, which gives Ukraine "military equipment and the right to fight on." He also said the U.S. was open to signing a minerals deal with Russia

⚑️Russia's war objectives (kyivindependent.com/russias-war-objectives-not-yet-achieved-ambassador-says/) 'not yet achieved,' Kremlin's ambassador says.
"The constitutional territories of Russia have not been liberated," Russian Foreign Ministry's Ambassador-at-Large Rodion Miroshnik said on Feb. 25.

Russia targets Ukraine’s supply lines in Kursk as both cling to gains ahead of peace talks (kyivindependent.com/russia-targets-ukraines-supply-lines-in-kursk-as-both-cling-to-gains-ahead-of-peace-talks/)

⚑️Russia will not be readmitted to G7, German finance minister says, rebuffing Trump (kyivindependent.com/russia-will-not-be-readmitted-to-g7-german-finance-minister-says-rebuffing-trump/).
U.S. President Donald Trump said on Feb. 13 that he would "love" to see Russia readmitted into the G7, calling Russia's 2014 expulsion from the group a "mistake."

⚑️State Department officials want to unfreeze US aid (kyivindependent.com/state-department-officials-want-to-unfreeze-us-aid-to-ukraine-politico-reports/) to Ukraine, Politico reports.

Taurus missiles, stronger Europe β€” what can Ukraine hope for after German elections (kyivindependent.com/taurus-missiles-stronger-europe-what-can-ukraine-hope-for-after-german-elections/)

⚑️Macron wins no security guarantees (kyivindependent.com/macron-wins-no-security-guarantees-from-trump-on-peacekeepers-plan-ft-reports/) from Trump on peacekeepers plan, FT reports.
There is "no definitive agreement" as to how the U.S. will provide security assurances for European peacekeeping forces in Ukraine, a French official said.

⚑️ France could send nuclear-armed jets (kyivindependent.com/france-could-send-nuclear-armed-jets-to-germany-telegraph-reports/) to Germany, Telegraph reports.
The proposal comes as the U.S. shifts away from Europe and Ukraine, sending clear signals that the continent won’t be able to rely on Washington for its security in the future.

⚑️Ukraine passes resolution (kyivindependent.com/parliament-passes-resolution-on-elections-when-there-is-sustainable-peace-at-2nd-attempt/) on elections when there is 'sustainable peace' at 2nd attempt.
The decision was supported by 268 members of parliament, while 12 others abstained.

⚑️Poland pledges $210 million in new military aid (kyivindependent.com/poland-pledges-210-million-in-new-military-aid-for-ukraine-defense-minister-says/)for Ukraine.

⚑️Poland to transfer (kyivindependent.com/poland-to-transfer-5-000-more-starlink-terminals-to-ukraine/) 5,000 more Starlink terminals to Ukraine.

⚑️Ukraine needs $524 billion (https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-needs-524-billion-for-recovery-reconstruction-after-3-years-of-russias-full-scale-war/) for recovery, reconstruction after 3 years of Russia's full-scale war. 
The required reconstruction costs are 2.8 times higher than Ukraine's nominal GDP for 2024, according to a new report.

⚑️ Poland to adapt all civilian airports for dual-military use (kyivindependent.com/poland-to-adapt-all-civilian-airports-for-dual-military-use/).
Every airport must be adapted and in some way adapted to the possibility of cooperating and working with the military," Polish Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz said on Feb. 25.

⚑️Ukraine approves Vidmak drone system (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-approves-vidmak-drone-system-to-target-russian-vehicles/)to target Russian vehicles.

⚑️Trump says Russian oligarchs (https://kyivindependent.com/trump-says-russian-oligarchs-could-be-eligible-for-5-million-us-gold-card/) could be eligible for $5 million US 'gold card.' 
"I know some Russian oligarchs that are very nice people," Trump told reporters on Feb. 25.

⚑️Hungary seeks removal of eight names from EU Russia sanctions list, (kyivindependent.com/hungary-seeks-removal-of-eight-names-from-eu-russia-sanctions-list-reuters-reports/) Reuters reports.
Hungary is demanding the removal of eight individuals from the EU's Russia sanctions list and guarantees on Ukraine's gas transit talks before agreeing to renew restrictions, Reuters reported on Feb. 25, citing sources familiar with the matter.

⚑️'I was tired' β€” Serbia's president apologises (kyivindependent.com/serbia-mistakenly-backs-ukrainian-resolution-on-russias-war-at-un-general-assembly-vucic-says/) for accidentally backing Ukraine's UN resolution.
"I apologize to the citizens of Serbia for that, and I take the blame for that because I was probably tired and overwhelmed," Aleksandar Vucic said.

⚑️US opposed Ukraine's UN resolution to avoid 'antagonizing' Russia, (kyivindependent.com/us-opposed-ukraines-un-resolution-to-avoid-antagonizing-russia-rubio-says/) Rubio says. [what sort of planet is this idiot on?]

⚑️ UK to increase defense spending (kyivindependent.com/uk-plans-to-increase-defense-spending-to-2-5-of-gdp-by-2027-starmer-says/) to 2.5% of GDP by 2027, Starmer says.
It is the largest sustained increase in British defense spending since the end of the Cold War.

⚑️128 Ukrainian drones attack (kyivindependent.com/almost-130-drones-attack-russia-targeting-port-in-krasnodar-krai/) Russia overnight, Krasnodar Krai port targeted.

In negotiations with Russia, Trump is repeating his β€˜complete disaster’ peace deal with Taliban (kyivindependent.com/in-negotiations-with-russia-trump-is-repeating-his-complete-disaster-peace-deal-with-taliban/)
U.S. President Donald Trump’s negotiation strategy in Afghanistan resulted in a β€œcapitulation” to the Taliban and abandoning U.S. allies. Experts see strong parallels to how he’s dealing with Russia today, writes Andrea Januta.

Don’t try to build a whole new drone:’ How one Ukrainian wartime startup got into quantum encryption β€” and the West
One Ukrainian startup has rebuilt the humble walkie-talkie to weather the waves of modern electronic war with Russia. With thousands of Ukrainian soldiers already using their handheld comms devices, NATO is tuning in.

⚑️Russian attacks across Ukraine kill (kyivindependent.com/russian-attacks-across-ukraine-kill-2-injure-36-over-past-day/) 2, injure 36 [ 24 - 25 February 2025]

Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
β€ͺ
⚑️ WAR IN UKRAINE - FEB 26, 2025

β–  Engagements stay below the 7-day average, casualties slightly below it
β–  Drone, tank & APV losses well above average; 19 tank losses reported
β–  Most πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ strikes in nine days

Ukraine Invasion: Part 54
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 08:44

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

Russian Hackers Extorted Millions From Children’s Hospitals and Schools Worldwide (united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/russian-hackers-extorted-millions-from-childrens-hospitals-and-schools-worldwide-6225)
Russian nationals behind the hacker group "8Base,” extorted millions of dollars from victimsβ€”including children's hospitalsβ€”by holding sensitive data at ransom. Ransomware attacks on healthcare not only caused disruption but also put lives at risk. How did 8Base operate, and what does its downfall reveal about Russia’s cybercrime ecosystem?

Trump said that in Ukraine, it will be necessary to agree on a format for a peacekeeping mission that would be acceptable to each side.

The UK does not rule out the possibility of Russia returning to the G7, UK Security Minister Dan Jarvis said in an interview with Times Radio.
According to him, this issue will be discussed with international allies after the end of the war in Ukraine.

The largest EU countries and the head of the European Commission did not support the confiscation of Russian assets in favor of Ukraine, Politico reports.
France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen opposed the proposal to confiscate frozen Russian assets to transfer funds to Ukraine.
It is noted that such a step could scare off international investors and weaken the EU’s position in negotiations on the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Meanwhile, the Czech Republic, Poland, and the Baltic countries supported the initiative to seize Russian funds.

Russia is ready to offer the US 650 million tons of rare earth metals from Russian subsoil, The Moscow Times reports.
β€œThe Americans need rare earth metals. We have a lot of them,” said Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov.
He also mentioned β€œbroad prospects for trade, economic, and investment cooperation” between the countries.
According to Peskov, the Russian authorities have certain plans for the development of strategic resources and are ready to cooperate in this area.
β€œWe will be open to joint projects when the moment comes for political will to be demonstrated on the issue of mineral development,” Peskov added.

We will deploy our forces in Ukraine if we receive American guarantees,” British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said at a press conference.

Canada has imposed sanctions on Russian TV presenter Vladimir Pozner and dozens of other Russians and organizations, Deutsche Welle reports.

Ukraine did not receive a proposal from the EU for a new mutually beneficial agreement on Ukrainian minerals during the visit of the College of European Commissioners to Kyiv on February 24, as the partnership in this area between Ukraine and the EU is already ongoing, said EC spokesman Thomas Rainier.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) is pressuring the International Ski Federation (FIS) and the International Biathlon Union (IBU) to allow Russian athletes to compete internationally.
The IOC is expected to make a decision soon on whether to allow Russians and Belarusians to compete under neutral status at the 2026 Olympics.

In 2024, Ukraine received about 1.5 million shells under the β€œCzech initiative,” including 500,000 155-mm shells, said Czech Prime Minister Fiala.

The UK plans to increase defense spending to 2.5% of GDP by 2027 by cutting aid to other countries, Prime Minister Keir Starmer was quoted as saying by Sky News.
Starting in 2027, Britain will spend Β£13.4 billion a year on security. In the future, "subject to economic and fiscal conditions," defense spending should increase to 3% of GDP.

Albania has become the thirteenth country to join the Interflex program for training Ukrainian military personnel in Britain, the British Ministry of Defense reported.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 08:48

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

The upcoming US-Ukraine deal on rare earth metals could be worth $1 trillion β€” Trump
Key statements from his latest speech:
β–ͺ️Confirmed Zelenskyy’s visit to Washington on Friday.
β–ͺ️Ukraine would receive $350 billion, military equipment, and the right to keep fighting under the agreement.
β–ͺ️The US is not currently providing any defense assistance to Ukraine.
β–ͺ️Ukraine has enough weapons to fight until a ceasefire deal is reached. Europe will be responsible for future aid.

The UK, Germany, France, and other European countries are ready to send troops to guarantee a ceasefire in Ukraine β€” Bloomberg

The two talked about being good friends.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47801
Xi, Putin Holds Phone Call on Ukraine Invasion Anniversary
An official Chinese press release after the all said the two nations are β€œgood neighbors that cannot be moved away” and vowed β€œlong-term” developments.

Russian spies are everywhereβ€”stealing secrets, recruiting NATO insiders, and carrying out sabotage. How deep does the infiltration go? A former US counterintelligence agent exposes the truth behind Russia’s covert war.
www.kyivpost.com/videos/47816

Ukraine must return Slovakia €3.5 billion β€” Deputy Speaker of the Slovak National Council and leader of the Slovak National Party, Andrej Danko said, calling Russia’s war against Ukraine a β€œconflict” or mere β€œevents in Ukraine.”

β€œYes, it's extortionate looked at one way, but so was Lend-Lease in 1941” β€” Johnson supported the updated mineral US-Ukraine agreement.
The NYT previously reported that the updated agreement grants US a share of Ukraine’s resource revenues but lacks security guarantees for Kyiv.

Drones attacked multiple regions of Russia overnight.
83 UAVs were shot down over Krasnodar Krai. Drones also targeted the seaport in Tuapse.
In total, Russian authorities allegedly reported 128 drones destroyed.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 08:56

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Trump claims Ukraine could receive β€œ$350 billion, a lot of military equipment, and the right to continue fighting” under the mineral resources deal.

At the same time, the U.S. president stated that military aid to Ukraine will continue until an agreement with Russia is reached.
Without U.S. assistance, Ukraine will be able to sustain the current pace of fighting only until summer, while Europe will try to compensate for the arms deficit, according to The Wall Street Journal.
After that, Ukraine will run out of ammunition and lose the ability to use some of its most advanced weapons.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces will also β€œsuffer a reduced capability” to conduct long-range strikes and protect rear positions.

πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡·πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈTurkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan stated that Turkey is not opposed to Ukraine’s NATO membership but called for a realistic approach to the issue

Russians are tying their β€œcomrades-in-arms” to trees to be struck by Ukrainian drones, as some commanders use this as a form of punishment for various offenses https://t.me/liveukraine_media/29223

On the night of February 25, air defense forces shot down 6 cruise missiles and 133 Russian drones, while another 79 UAVs failed to reach their targets.
Air defense systems were active in the Poltava, Sumy, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Cherkasy, Kirovohrad, Zhytomyr, Mykolaiv, and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts.
In total, Russia launched 213 strike UAVs and decoy drones, as well as seven Kh-101 cruise missiles from Tu-95MS strategic bombers.

⚑️ Ukraine and the United States have agreed on the terms of a mineral resources deal, according to Financial Times.
Washington has dropped its toughest demands, including the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from mineral exploitation. Following this concession, Kyiv is now ready to sign the agreement.
The deal involves the creation of a fund to which Ukraine will allocate 50% of future revenue from the β€œmonetization” of mineral resources and related logistics. This fund will invest in projects within Ukraine. However, the document does not include any security guarantees from the U.S., which Kyiv had initially insisted on.
The share of U.S. participation in the fund will be determined through further agreements. The final approval of the document will require ratification by the Ukrainian Parliament (Verkhovna Rada).

One person killed, two injured in overnight drone attack on Kyiv oblast
The body of the deceased was found during the extinguishing of a fire in a two-story private house in the Bucha district.

Two researchers from France’s prestigious National Center for Scientific Research behind attack on Russian consulate in Marseille.
Both admitted their guilt and stated that they acted in support of Ukraine. An engineer and a chemist used their expertise to fill three plastic bottles with a mixture of nitrogen and chemicals capable of causing detonation. Their actions will now be reviewed by the court.

The β€œToloka” underwater drone, which is designed to enhance Ukraine’s capabilities in maritime operations

Ukraine Invasion: Part 54
blueshoes · 26/02/2025 09:26

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-25-2025

Key Takeaways:

  • Russian President Vladimir Putin implicitly acknowledged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as the legitimate president of Ukraine and Russia's future negotiating partner while promoting a new information operation that aims to destabilize Ukrainian society and the Ukrainian military from within.
  • Putin attempted to use new language to repackage the calls for regime change in Ukraine that he has demanded since 2021.
  • Putin offered to make a deal with the United States on Russian rare earth minerals as part of efforts to outbid Ukraine on this matter and to push the United States to accept Russian offers of economic measures in lieu of any actual Russian concessions on Ukraine.
  • Putin attempted to claim that he supports Europe's participation in negotiations on Ukraine while continuing to show his unwillingness to make concessions and seemingly proposing Russian allies as possible future negotiating parties.
  • Kremlin officials continue to exploit diplomatic engagements with Russia's allies to reinforce Moscow's narrative that Russia invaded Ukraine to protect Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine.
  • A delegation from North Korea's Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) arrived in Moscow on February 25 at the invitation of Russia's ruling party, United Russia, amid reports that North Korea may be shipping more material to Russia.
  • Western officials continue to highlight the scale of European military aid to Ukraine.
  • Russian forces recently advanced in Kursk Oblast and near Kupyansk, Lyman, and Velyka Novosilka, and Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Kupyansk.
  • Samara Oblast authorities reduced one-time payments to soldiers who sign military service contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) after temporarily increasing these payments in January 2025.
  • The BBC Russian Service reported on February 25 that over 100 Russian government, military, and security officials accused and convicted of various corruption charges are fighting in Ukraine.
  • The Kremlin continues efforts to use its "Time of Heroes" program, which places veterans of the war in Ukraine in government positions, to form a new Russian elite composed of loyal and ultranationalist veterans that will continue to militarize Russian society over the long term.
  • Russia may be reopening a Soviet-era submarine base in occupied Crimea.
hby9628 · 26/02/2025 09:40

Morning long time lurker & value this thread very much. I do find all the politics behind it all quite confusing though.

So US & Ukraine sign a deal for the minerals & Ukraine can fight on. Forgive me for this question but how is this going to stop any war between Russia & Ukraine. I can't see what Russia will get out of this to make them agree to a ceasefire unless the US & Russia are going to carve the mineral rich land between them?

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 26/02/2025 11:55

The US has currently stopped all military aid to Ukraine (according to Ukraine news outlets). Now Ukraine has signed, Trump says he will allow more military aid to be delivered.

Without the aid, Ukraine can't sustain the defense.

So now that Ukraine will in theory be getting US aid again, it means that the war can continue.

Trump is trying to negotiate with Russia to arrange a ceasefire or peace by offering carrots like keeping some of the land they occupy, with the stick of supplying Ukraine with more military aid, now the mineral deal is signed.

Russia is also bribing Trump with the idea of the US working with Russia to develop mineral resources within Russia and the occupied territories. The ISW and many other leaders and organisations believe that Russia may agree to a ceasefire / peace deal as their economic woes are increasing, with the strong intention to rebuild their military and carry out further aggression in the not-so-far future as they have clearly stated that they intend to take over all of Ukraine several times.

Many people are skeptical of the value of the peace deal that Trump is trying to arrange.

Igotjelly · 26/02/2025 12:00

Looks like the US and Russia are meeting again tomorrow in Istanbul. Ostensibly about embassies.

hby9628 · 26/02/2025 12:02

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress thank you

DuncinToffee · 26/02/2025 13:35

https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/articles/2025/02/26/7205922/

The full text of the "Minerals Deal", agreed by Ukraine and the United States

MagicFox · 26/02/2025 13:38

Very depressing assessment on the future of Europe by @velinatchakarova. I really hope we can avoid the worst of this:

‼️The Hard Geopolitical Truths No One Wants to Hear in Europe ‼️

You won’t hear this at the fancy summits in Munich, Paris, or Brusselsβ€”but I’ll say it anyway.

The full-scale war Russia launched against Ukraine in 2022 is not just about imperial ambitions. It’s been a calculated move to secure pole position in the systemic rivalry between the U.S. and China while dismantling the European security order of the past 30 years.

Europeans still refuse to acknowledge that Russia’s war against Ukraine isn’t just fought on the battlefield. Since February 24, 2022, Moscow has been waging a non-kinetic war against Europeβ€”weaponizing commodities (energy, food, fertilizers), migration flows, and hybrid warfare, including sabotage operations, and last but not least, nuclear blackmail.

So why hasnβ€˜t Europe been fighting back? Ignorance, moral decay, lack of awareness, zero sense of urgency, a complete detachment from reality, and sheer complacency.

Meanwhile, China and Russia didn’t suddenly β€œcome closer” three years agoβ€”they’ve been strategically coordinating across all key domains for over a decade. The West ignored this and is still in denial, calling it a β€œmarriage of convenience” or dismissing Russia as China’s β€œjunior partner.” But the DragonBear modus operandi of strategic coordination in systemically relevant domains is working to dismantle the global order and is building a powerful geopolitical and geoeconomic counterweight to the U.S.

Russia seeks to dominate Europe, while China asserts control over the South China Sea and Taiwan. Together, they are locking down Eurasia and the Arctic’s new maritime trade routes.

Against this backdrop, Europe’s so-called β€œstrategic autonomy” died the moment Russia attacked Ukraine.

Europe’s Grand Promises vs. Reality
β€’Germany’s promised β€œZeitenwende” never happened.
β€’Europe imposed massive sanctions on Russiaβ€”then allowed Moscow bypass them through proxies.
β€’Over €150 billion in aid to Ukraineβ€”yet Europe failed to launch a war economy, missing the chance to mass-produce weapons and ammunition in the Balkans and Central-Eastern Europe. Instead, Russia secured more reliable arms suppliers: North Korea, Iran, and China.
β€’The West failed to deliver the military aid it promised. Europe never reached a strategic consensus that Ukraine must regain its 1991 borders.
β€’Russia’s international isolation never happened. Moscow strengthened its ties across Asia, Africa, and Latin America, securing resources, markets, and diplomatic support in the Global South.

The result? Ukraine is heading toward a frozen conflictβ€”losing 18% of its territory while being further destabilized and left vulnerable to future Russian subjugation goals.

Europe: From a Global Power to the β€œWorld of Yesterday”

Europe is becoming a geopolitical backyard, watching the world reshape itself without a seat at the table.

The next stage? The Bifurcation of Europe.
β€’A new Iron Curtain will emerge along NATO’s Eastern Flank.
β€’As Russia accelerates its militarization and the U.S. shifts focus to the Indo-Pacific, Europe will turn into a battlefield of dog-eats-dog world.
β€’Smaller states will pivot toward the U.S. in exchange for security guarantees.
β€’Meanwhile, major European powersβ€”Germany, France, and Brusselsβ€”may try to accommodate the DragonBear, trading geopolitical influence for economic stability.
β€’Others will be trapped in the middle, oscillating between America and the DragonBear in this Cold War 2.0.

The final nail in the coffin? A fragmented, balkanized Europe, with geopolitically insignificant states losing global relevance. The longest peace project on the continentβ€”Europe’s security orderβ€”is disintegrating before our eyes.

OP posts:
PerkingFaintly · 26/02/2025 13:47

BILATERAL AGREEMENT ESTABLISHING TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR A RECONSTRUCTION INVESTMENT FUND
WHEREAS the United States of America has provided significant financial and material support to Ukraine since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022;
WHEREAS the American people desire to invest alongside Ukraine in a free, sovereign and secure Ukraine;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine desire a lasting peace in Ukraine and a durable partnership between their two peoples and governments;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine recognize the contribution that Ukraine has made to strengthening international peace and security by voluntarily abandoning the world's third largest arsenal of nuclear weapons;
WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine wish to ensure that those States and other persons that have acted adversely to Ukraine in the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine following a lasting peace;
NOW, THEREFORE, the Government of the United States of America and the Government of Ukraine (each, a "Participant") hereby enter into this Bilateral Agreement Establishing Terms and Conditions for a Reconstruction Investment Fund to deepen the partnership between the United States of America and Ukraine, as set forth herein.

  1. The Governments of Ukraine and the United States of America, with the aim of achieving lasting peace in Ukraine, intend to establish a Reconstruction Investment Fund (Fund), partnering in the Fund through joint ownership, to be further defined in the Fund Agreement. Joint ownership will take into consideration the actual contributions of the Participants as defined in Sections 3 and 4. The Fund will be jointly managed by representatives of the Government of Ukraine and the Government of the United States of America. More detailed terms pertaining to the Fund’s governance and operation will be set forth in a subsequent agreement (the Fund Agreement) to be negotiated promptly after the conclusion of this Bilateral Agreement. The maximum percentage of ownership of the Fund’s equity and financial interests to be held by the Government of the United States of America and the decision-making authority of the representatives of the Government of the United States of America will be to the extent permissible under applicable United States laws.Neither Participant will sell, transfer or otherwise dispose of, directly or indirectly, any portion of its interest in the Fund without the prior written consent of the other Participant.
  2. The Fund will collect and reinvest revenues contributed to the Fund, minus expenses incurred by the Fund, and will earn income from the future monetization of all relevant Ukrainian Government-owned natural resource assets (whether owned directly or indirectly by the Ukrainian Government), as defined in Section 3.
  3. The Government of Ukraine will contribute to the Fund 50 percent of all revenues earned from the future monetization of all relevant Ukrainian Government-owned natural resource assets (whether owned directly or indirectly by the Ukrainian Government), defined as deposits of minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials, and other infrastructure relevant to natural resource assets (such as liquified natural gas terminals and port infrastructure) as agreed by both Participants, as may be further described in the Fund Agreement. For the avoidance of doubt, such future sources of revenues do not include the current sources of revenues which are already part of the general budget revenues of Ukraine. Timeline, scope and sustainability of contributions will be further defined in the Fund Agreement.
  4. The Fund, in its sole discretion, may credit or return to the Government of Ukraine actual expenses incurred by the newly developed projects from which the Fund receives revenues.
  5. Contributions made to the Fund will be reinvested at least annually in Ukraine to promote the safety, security and prosperity of Ukraine, to be further defined in the Fund Agreement. The Fund Agreement will also provide for future distributions.
  6. Subject to applicable United States law, the Government of the United States of America will maintain a long-term financial commitment to the development of a stable and economically prosperous Ukraine. Further contributions may be comprised of funds, financial instruments, and other tangible and intangible assets critical for the reconstruction of Ukraine.
  7. The Fund's investment process will be designed so as to invest in projects in Ukraine and attract investments to increase the development, processing and monetization of all public and private Ukrainian assets including, but not limited to, deposits of minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials, infrastructure, ports, and state-owned enterprises as may be further described in the Fund Agreement. The Government of the United States of America and the Government of Ukraine intend that the investment process will lead to opportunities for distribution of additional funds and greater reinvestment, to ensure the sufficient supply of capital for the reconstruction of Ukraine as set out in the Fund Agreement.
  8. The Participants reserve the right to take such action as necessary to protect and maximize the value of their economic interests in the Fund.
  9. The Fund Agreement will include appropriate representations and warranties, including those necessary to ensure that any obligations the Government of Ukraine may have to third parties, or such obligations that it may undertake in the future, do not sell, convey, transfer pledge, or otherwise encumber the Government of Ukraine’s contributions to the Fund or the assets from which such contributions are derived, or the Fund’s disposition of funds.
  10. In drafting the Fund Agreement, the Participants will strive to avoid conflicts with Ukraine’s obligations under its accession to the European Union or its obligations under arrangements with international financial institutions and other official creditors.
  11. The Fund Agreement will provide, inter alia, an acknowledgment that both the Fund Agreement and the activities provided for therein are commercial in nature.
  12. The Fund Agreement shall be ratified by the Parliament of Ukraine according to the Law of Ukraine "On International Treaties of Ukraine".
  13. The Fund Agreement will pay particular attention to the control mechanisms that make it impossible to weaken, violate or circumvent sanctions and other restrictive measures.
  14. The text of the Fund Agreement will be developed without delay by working groups chaired by authorized representatives of the Government of Ukraine and the Government of the United States of America. Contact persons responsible for preparing the Fund Agreement on the basis of this Bilateral Agreement are: from the Government of the United States of America: the Department of the Treasury; from the Government of Ukraine: Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Economy.
  15. This Bilateral Agreement and the Fund Agreement will constitute integral elements of the architecture of bilateral and multilateral agreements, as well as concrete steps to establish lasting peace, and to strengthen economic security resilience and reflect the objectives set forth in the preamble to this Bilateral Agreement.
  16. The Government of the United States of America supports Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace. Participants will seek to identify any necessary steps to protect mutual investments, as defined in the Fund Agreement.
  17. This Bilateral Agreement is binding and will be implemented by each Participant according to its domestic procedures. The Government of the United States of America and the Government of Ukraine commit to proceed forthwith to negotiate the Fund Agreement.
PerkingFaintly · 26/02/2025 13:49

Sorry, MN has stuffed up the formating so the paragraph numbering is out. (It's given a new number to each paragraph, while the original only has 11 numbered points.)

PerkingFaintly · 26/02/2025 13:50

That's from @DuncinToffee 's link at: https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/articles/2025/02/26/7205922/

DuncinToffee · 26/02/2025 13:50

No security guarantees agreed yet

PerkingFaintly · 26/02/2025 13:59

So that looks like simultaneously very careful language, and very woolly language!

Love the unnumbered preamble statements. Names Russia as aggressor, and says "remember we gave up our nukes for you..."

I think it might be constructed to enable Trump to say he got a deal, and at the same time not to hand over too much control.

I think it doesn't commit the US to do anything at all.

So I think (I might be wrong) it doesn't get Ukraine any further forward from where it was under the Biden administration, but it might be enough of a PR gift to Trump that it will weigh in the balance of his decisions to continue US assistance.

PerkingFaintly · 26/02/2025 14:02

Yes, "supports Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees" can just mean security guarantees from other countries.

Countries which aren't party to agreeing this deal and don't get any benefit from it. <shrug>

Tacocatgoatcheesepizza · 26/02/2025 17:10

Hi, longtime lurker here….

i just wanted to ask, as there is clearly some people with a lot of knowledge here, is it right that we are not really an independent nuclear power and our nuclear capability is basically dependent on the Americans (for maintenance, parts etc). If so, is it possible or likely that we can move to make it independent or is it a lost cause and of the Americans decided to stop supporting it it would basically become worthless.

thank you!

notimagain · 26/02/2025 17:32

Tacocatgoatcheesepizza · 26/02/2025 17:10

Hi, longtime lurker here….

i just wanted to ask, as there is clearly some people with a lot of knowledge here, is it right that we are not really an independent nuclear power and our nuclear capability is basically dependent on the Americans (for maintenance, parts etc). If so, is it possible or likely that we can move to make it independent or is it a lost cause and of the Americans decided to stop supporting it it would basically become worthless.

thank you!

Given the subject you’re not going to get an straight answer to that because those that know don’t talk about it.

Obviously we know the four Vanguard boats were UK built so there’s some indigenous expertise but how much US support is needed a day to day, week to week?

The warheads are UK build but again we don’t know what US input might be needed in terms of some of the material….so again?

One definite weak spot is that the missile bodies are rotated from US stock, the ones for UK Trident supposedly being drawn out of store by way of a lottery….so of that support goes, Trident goes.

One thing that doesn’t get much mention is one has to speculate that a lot of the intelligence data..as in credible targets, exactly where are they, how β€œhard” are they etc most likely comes from mainly US assets…

There are certainly vulnerabilities.

Igotjelly · 26/02/2025 17:41

Trump just described Putin as a very bad person and said that he thinks before the election Putin had no intention of a deal and that he can’t promise there will be one! He’s said he has a lot of respect for Ukraine and wants the World to remember it was him who have javelins. Watching it live on BBC.

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