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Ukraine Invasion: Part 54

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MagicFox · 16/02/2025 18:23

We're on 54. Slava Ukraini πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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minsmum · 20/02/2025 21:45

I am reasonably pleased that the politicians are saying that any decisions about Ukraine should be for Ukraine to make

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/02/2025 22:50

I wish the Labour Nick would stop using it as a platform for Labour's achievements. Just answer the bloody question or if you don't know the answer defer to someone who does. And i just fast forwarded yellow jacket lady when she couldn't remember Crimea or Donbas, too maddening.

I do wonder though why they aren't spending the frozen assets as opposed to just spending the interest from them. They are talking evasively about legalities..

MMBaranova · 20/02/2025 23:04

>Very sobering, take away is NATO is dead.

Yes, the Atlanticist era is over. The new reality needs to be faced up to and it is better to do that with pride and resolution than kowtow to Evil and pretend things are not too different to when the now Rogue States of America were in their occasionally lucid gerontocrat phase.

NATO can continue. Just kick the Rogue States out. If that's against the rules, kick them out anyway. Wanting to incorporate the territory of two member states is not something a member in good standing does.

When it comes to Ukraine we have seen how the New Axis of Evil meeting in Saudi Arabia went. Opposite the Rogue States sat Lavrov who was beaming. 'Oh and we'll have half the mineral rights'. Disgusting.

I would give Trump one last chance. 'Are the guarantees and supplies from the last Presidency still operating?' - if the answer is no or there is no reply in 24 hours then give all US military personnel 48 hours to leave Europe. Off they go. The equipment... well that might go elsewhere.

It's time to face reality and progressively disengage. If we don't it will be humiliatingly worse as the months pass.

DdraigGoch · 21/02/2025 00:05

Igotjelly · 20/02/2025 21:33

There’s some American woman in a yellow jacket on the panel (missed her name) and she’s parroting Trump line for line but can’t even name the occupied territories.

I listened to Bob McEwan and Jan Harper-Hayes on Times Radio. How the hell do people so thick get themselves into such influential positions?

minsmum · 21/02/2025 00:10

I couldn't be a politician or a diplomat I just want to use the old moment classic FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOSM

Natsku · 21/02/2025 03:45

Igotjelly · 20/02/2025 18:48

From Sky News:

US refusing to co-sponsor UN resolution backing Ukraine's territorial integrity - report
Following an earlier report claiming the US is going against the G7 ahead of the third anniversary of the war, it appears Washington is now distancing itself from a draft UN resolution.

Citing three diplomatic sources, Reuters news agency reports the US is refusing to co-sponsor a UN resolution backing Ukraine's territorial integrity and demanding Russia withdraws its troops.

The vote on the resolution is due on Monday - the day of the third anniversary - and the US has "consistently sponsored" similar movements in support of a "just peace in Ukraine", one of the sources said.
Another source told Reuters the resolution is being sponsored by more than 50 countries.

"For now, the situation is they [the US] won't sign it," a source added.
The US diplomatic mission to the UN in Geneva did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

We reported at 15.15 the Financial Times has spoken to five sources who said the US is against calling Russia "aggressors" in a G7 statement due to be released on Monday.

I am getting increasingly depressed at the way the US is going. I still hold out hope that saner heads will curb Trump somehow but that hope is getting weaker all the time if no one can even insist that the Russians be called the aggressors.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 08:46

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/02/2025 22:50

I wish the Labour Nick would stop using it as a platform for Labour's achievements. Just answer the bloody question or if you don't know the answer defer to someone who does. And i just fast forwarded yellow jacket lady when she couldn't remember Crimea or Donbas, too maddening.

I do wonder though why they aren't spending the frozen assets as opposed to just spending the interest from them. They are talking evasively about legalities..

They looked very hard at this and the legalities are, apparently, a huge problem.

It would be unpleasant if Russia dragged the EU through the courts and won and the EU had to pay a gigantic fine.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 09:00

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

'We cannot survive’ without foreign weapons, say Ukrainian soldiers fearing looming Trump cuts

⚑️'No appetite' (kyivindependent.com/no-appetite-for-new-ukraine-aid-bill-us-house-speaker-says/) for new Ukraine aid bill, US House speaker says.

⚑️US, Russian participants held unofficial talks (kyivindependent.com/unofficial-russian-and-u-s-representatives-quietly-met-to-discuss-ukraine-in-switzerland-reuters-reports/) on Ukraine in Switzerland, Reuters reports.
Unofficial U.S. and Russian representatives have been quietly meeting in Switzerland in recent months for informal discussions regarding Ukraine, Reuters reported on Feb. 21.

⚑️Russia claims to retake (https://kyivindependent.com/russia-regains-control-of-64-of-seized-kursk-oblast-territories-russian-general-claims/) 64% of Kursk Oblast territories seized by Ukraine.
According to Sergei Rudsky, a senior Russian General Staff official, Ukrainian soldiers are in control of about 500 square kilometers (193 square miles) out of 1,268 square kilometers (490 square miles) initially seized by Kyiv.

⚑️US refuses to co-sponsor UN resolution condemning Russia, resists labeling Moscow 'aggressor' i (kyivindependent.com/us-refuses-to-co-sponsor-un-resolution-condemning-russia-resists-g7s-language-on-moscow/)n G7 statement, media report.

⚑️Ukraine needs to 'tone it down,' (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-needs-to-tone-down-sign-us-minerals-deal-waltz-says/) sign US minerals deal, Waltz says.
"They need to tone it down and take a hard look and sign that deal," U.S. National Security Advisor Mike Waltz told Fox News.

⚑️Trump administration presents 'improved' minerals draft (kyivindependent.com/trump-administration-presents-improved-minerals-draft-to-ukraine-after-zelenskys-rejection-axios-reports/) to Ukraine after Zelensky's rejection, Axios reports.

⚑️ Kellogg meets Sybiha, Syrskyi, Yermak during Kyiv visit
Ukraine war latest: Zelensky-Kellogg meeting ends with no joint statements (https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-zelensky-kellogg-meeting-ends-with-no-joint-statements/)Β atΒ USΒ request,Β spokespersonΒ says

⚑️Meeting with Kellogg 'restores hope,' (kyivindependent.com/meeting-with-kellogg-restores-hope-zelensky-says/) Zelensky says.

⚑️Tusk proposes 3-point plan (kyivindependent.com/tusk-proposes-3-point-plan-to-strengthen-ukraine-european-security/) to strengthen Ukraine, European security.

⚑️Ceasefire likely in 2025, Ukraine's spy chief says. (https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-can-be-reached-in-2025-budanov-says/) 
"How long it will be, how effective it will be, is another question. But I think it will happen," Ukrainian military intelligence head Kyrylo Budanov said.

⚑️Russian hackers target Signal accounts (kyivindependent.com/russian-hackers-target-signal-accounts-in-growing-espionage-effort/) in growing espionage effort.
Google’s Threat Intelligence Group (GTIG) has identified a rise in Russian state-backed hacking attempts to compromise Signal messenger accounts.

⚑️ Ukraine launching faster drone supply model (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-launching-faster-drone-supply-model-for-military/) for military.
Ukraine is launching a new supply model for delivering drones to the front line within weeks rather than months, Defense Minister Rustem Umerov announced on Feb. 20

⚑️ Russian vessel sanctioned over North Korean arms shipments entering European waters, researchers say. (kyivindependent.com/vessel-sanctioned-over-north-korean-arms-shipments-heading-to-russias-baltic-port-researchers-say/)
The Russian munitions carrier Maia-1 passed the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean Sea as it is likely heading for the Russian port of Ust-Luga in the Baltic Sea, the Open Source Center (OSC) research group said on Feb. 19.

⚑️ EU's Costa, von der Leyen to visit Kyiv (kyivindependent.com/eus-costa-von-der-leyen-to-visit-kyiv-on-feb-24/) on Feb. 24.
European Council President Antonio Costa and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen will visit Kyiv on the third anniversary of Russia's full-scale war, Costa announced on Feb. 20.

⚑️ UK, Norway discuss Arctic defense pact (kyivindependent.com/uk-norway-discuss-arctic-defense-pact-over-russian-threat/) over Russian threat.

⚑️Ukraine moves to nationalize Ferrexpo's mining subsidiary (https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-moves-to-nationalize-ferrexpos-mining-subsidiary/).

⚑️Explosion kills Russian occupation official (kyivindependent.com/russian-occupation-official-killed-in-berdiansk-ukraines-hur-accuses-him-of-war-crimes/)in Berdiansk, Ukraine's intelligence claims.

⚑️Ukraine behind FPV goggles (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-behind-fpv-goggles-explosions-in-russia-source-claims/) explosions in Russia, source claims.

⚑️ 12 killed, 6 injured in Russian attacks (kyivindependent.com/attacks-130/) against Ukraine over past day.

β€ͺRagnar Bjartur Gudmundsson πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦β€¬ β€ͺ
β–  Casualties & engagements stay below the 7-day average
β–  Equipment losses stay above it; 4 MLRS & >50 artillery hit
β–  Visually confirmed: 64 πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί 34 πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ (1.9x), last 30 days 1.5x
β–  Strike ratio improves slightly

Ukraine Invasion: Part 54
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 09:04

Vanity Fair reports that Republicans in Congress are "scared shitless" to vote against Donald Trump due to the threat of political violence. These people are cowardly frauds who change their votes out of fear. Either ante up, or resign.

reposted on Twitter by Malcolm Nance. Vanity Fair is left-leaning apparently, not hard-left.

notimagain · 21/02/2025 09:12

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 09:04

Vanity Fair reports that Republicans in Congress are "scared shitless" to vote against Donald Trump due to the threat of political violence. These people are cowardly frauds who change their votes out of fear. Either ante up, or resign.

reposted on Twitter by Malcolm Nance. Vanity Fair is left-leaning apparently, not hard-left.

I read the whole article last night..

What’s being claimed is very scary but for the sake of balance it’s worth being aware that, as if I think the article points out at one point, a politician saying they are only voting a certain way because they are scared might just be a handy excuse…

Edit to add:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence

”Still, some say Republicans are using the threats of violence as cover. Bill Kristol, cofounder of the Never Trump outlet The Bulwark, tells me Republicans could ignore the threats if they wanted to. Kristol was subject to online harassment in early February after Elon Musk falsely promoted claims on X that Kristol received money from USAID, the foreign aid agency recently gutted by the Department of Government Efficiency.”

1dayatatime · 21/02/2025 09:16

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress

'We cannot survive’ without foreign weapons, say Ukrainian soldiers fearing looming Trump cuts"

This for me pretty much summarises the situation for Ukraine.

StatuteofLiberty · 21/02/2025 09:41

What a mess.
It's strange how everyone speaking on behalf of Trump is praising him first and foremost!
Obviously if you're a Republican working for trump you will be elated he's your boss however it's bizzare how they are bigying him up.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 11:40

New God-Emperor

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 11:45

@notimagain I had a bit of a feeling that this might be the case.

Having said that people remember what happened to Nancy Pelosi's husband and that leader of the health insurance company. Whipping up mass hate on SM for someone who naysays you is basically lighting a blue touch paper to a loose cannon somewhere. You might not know where that cannon is but of the thousands of (more unstable) Musk worshippers, one cannon might go off in the right direction. ... And everyone knows that, both Musk and the politicans.

I suspect that a lot of people in politics are living with the awareness that their lives are not as inviolable as they used to be.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 11:52

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

Zelenskyy said he met with Trump’s special envoy Kellogg and noted that during a β€œgood conversation,” they discussed the situation on the battlefield and how to return all Ukrainian prisoners, as well as effective security guarantees.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has proposed a three-step plan for Ukraine and Europe.
He called on partners to take action:
▫️ finance aid to Ukraine using frozen Russian assets;
▫️ strengthen the β€œair police,” the Baltic Guard, and the EU’s borders with Russia;
▫️ quickly implement new rules for financing EU security and defense.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer will present an Anglo-French plan to Donald Trump in Washington next week to deploy about 30,000 European troops to Ukraine to maintain a ceasefire, The Telegraph reports.
Starmer will urge Trump to keep American fighter jets and missiles on standby in Eastern Europe to respond decisively if Russia violates the ceasefire terms.
Under the plan, European troops would be stationed in Ukrainian cities, ports, and critical infrastructure, including nuclear power plants, far from the front line.
A European official noted that NATO would need to discuss Article 5. Although the provision is not expected to apply to European troops in Ukraine, some countries insist it should remain in force if Moscow attacks their territory due to the troop deployment.

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez announced that he plans to visit Ukraine next week.

❗️Ukraine lost 40% of gas production after Russian strikes, β€” Reuters.
The newspaper writes that now in summer and winter it will have to import up to 800 million cubic meters of gas from Europe, and before the next winter season the country needs to accumulate about 13 billion cubic meters of gas.

In Berdiansk, the β€œdeputy head” of the occupation administration, Yevgeny Bogdanov, was blown up.
According to Ukrainian intelligence, his car exploded this morning and burned to the ground. The HUR did not specify the details of the death.
Bogdanov was responsible for controlling finances in the Russian administration and for the construction of fortifications in the occupied areas of the Zaporizhzhia region. He repeatedly committed war crimes against Ukrainians.

Russia Revives Soviet-Era Forced Psychiatric Treatment to Silence Dissidents (united24media.com/latest-news/russia-revives-soviet-era-forced-psychiatric-treatment-to-silence-dissidents-6080)
The Soviet-era practice of forced psychiatric treatment seems to be resurfacing in Russia as a tool to punish activists and opposition figures, The Moscow Times reported on February 20.
Russian courts have sentenced at least 49 people to forced psychiatric treatment on political grounds, according to the news outlet, citing the Memorial Human Rights Center.

❗️Russian propagandists have been instructed to promote β€œvictorious” narratives by the third anniversary of the Russian Federation’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in order to destabilize Ukrainian society and discredit Ukraine β€” HUR
The agency names the enemy’s key narratives:
▫️ β€œThe West betrayed Ukraine”;
▫️ β€œNeither Moscow nor Washington care about the opinion of Europeans and Ukrainians”;
▫️ β€œThe US and Russia agreed on everything behind Ukraine’s back”;
▫️ β€œThe Ukrainian government is illegitimate”;
▫️ β€œThe Ukrainian army is losing at the front”;
▫️ β€œCorrupt people in Ukraine are stealing billions of dollars of American aid.”
Also, by the β€œround date” of February 24, the enemy is preparing to announce the alleged victory of the Russian Federation β€” February 24. Moreover, they may go completely crazy and even start declaring victory over NATO.
The Russian special services were instructed to make the most of the Trump administration's intensified diplomatic efforts to end the Russian-Ukrainian war and the bilateral meeting of the US and Russian delegations in Saudi Arabia on February 18, 2025.
One of the key goals of the new Kremlin propaganda methods for Russia is to cover the status of an aggressor and war criminal isolated from the civilized world with a cloak-coat, supposedly ready for a peaceful settlement of the "constructive side of the conflict." In particular, the Russian Federation will use our country's partners in Europe, whom they plan to expose as "enemies of peace."

Sweden has launched an investigation into another damage to a communications cable in the Baltic Sea near the strategic island of Gotland.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 12:02

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

Russia is slowing down – but without US support, can Ukraine still push back? What about Europe? Kyiv Post’s Dr. Jason Smart dives into the latest developments and explains what's at stake.
www.kyivpost.com/videos/47524

China supports all efforts dedicated to peace, including the recent consensus reached by the US and Russia β€” Wang Yi, the country’s foreign minister

[wednesday 19th] Russian aerial bombs struck a residential building in Kherson overnight, full of civilians.
At least six people were injured, and more may still be trapped under the rubble. Rescuers continue searching for people, including a mother of twin babies, who were also affected by the strike.
More than dozen apartments were destroyed.

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, Trump claimed that his Treasury Secretary, Bessent, was treated β€œrather rudely” during Bessent's visit to Kyiv last week and that Zelensky was asleep and unable to meet him.
Here are the photos of their meeting. We will let you be the judge. [not insignificant as it's yet another lie by Trump]

The return of the king β€” author Stephen King returns to X to lob insults at Trump and Musk.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 54
Ukraine Invasion: Part 54
Igotjelly · 21/02/2025 12:07

some reports in the right wing press that Putin will declare victory in the coming days. Whilst I hope the attacks stop for Ukraine’s sake I do worry the momentum in Europe to rearm will be lost of the threat isn’t suddenly seeming so present and real.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 12:07

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

πŸ‡­πŸ‡Ί Hungary seeks to block the new EU aid package for Ukraine.
The package includes at least €6 billion in military support, covering ammunition, air defense systems, and equipment for the armed forces.
Hungarian Foreign Minister PΓ©ter SzijjΓ‘rtΓ³ stated that the β€œproposed €20 billion EU package aims to strengthen Kyiv’s position in negotiations rather than promote peace.” However, it’s unclear why he referred to such a higher amount.
Hungary also plans to block the extension of EU sanctions against Russians and Belarusians, arguing that β€œtime should be given for U.S.-Russia peace talks.”

The United States may fully withdraw from the United Nations β€” Congress will consider the bill.
The proposed legislation calls for the U.S. to exit all UN agencies, cease funding them, and halt participation in joint peacekeeping operations. If passed, any future U.S. engagement with the UN would require Senate approval.
This move is driven by Republican claims that the UN no longer serves U.S. interests, accusing the organization of supporting Hamas and China.
β€œHard-earned American tax dollars have been funneled into initiatives that undermine our values, appease tyrants, betray allies, and spread bigotry,” said Senator Mike Lee, the bill’s sponsor.
β–ͺ️The U.S. is the UN’s largest donor. In 2022, its contributions exceeded $18 billion, accounting for one-third of the UN’s total budget.

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈπŸ‡·πŸ‡ΊThe United States opposed (www.ft.com/content/73809e7a-a772-403a-8755-41a329d6a45d) calling Russia an aggressor in the G7 joint statement marking the anniversary of the invasion, according to the Financial Times.
Western officials reported that U.S. envoys objected to the phrase β€œRussian aggression” and similar terms that G7 leaders have used since 2022 to describe the war.
β€œThe Americans are blocking this wording, but we are still working on it and hope for an agreement,” an FT source said.
Last year’s G7 leaders’ statement mentioned Russian aggression five times.

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Kashyap Patel has been appointed as the new director of the FBI β€” he is known as a β€œloyal supporter” of Trump and a conservative radical.
The U.S. Senate confirmed him with a 51–49 vote. Democrats opposed the appointment, arguing that Patel would use his position to seek revenge against Trump’s political opponents. Republicans defended Trump’s nominee, claiming Patel would make the FBI more transparent.
β–ͺ️The Washington Post previously reported (www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/07/patel-fbi-russia-lopatonok/) that in 2024, Patel received a $25,000 fee from a Russian film company promoting pro-Russian and anti-Western views. Now, he will be responsible for countering Russian espionage operations in the United States.

Emmanuel Macron responded on social media to questions about Ukraine, Russia, and European security. Key points:
β–ͺοΈβ€œFirst and foremost, our goal is to put negotiations on the right track. We want peace, but not a ceasefire that would mean Ukraine’s capitulation. That would be very dangerous, as it would only lead Russia to go further.”
β–ͺ️On Russia’s military buildup: β€œRussia is now investing 10% of its GDP in armaments. In France, it’s 2%. Russia has also strengthened its cooperation with Iran, which supplies it with drones and other equipment. This way, Russia has globalized the conflict.”

πŸ”₯In Moscow, a fire broke out [19 Feb 25] at the S. A. Lebedev Institute of Computing Technology on Varshavskoye Highway.
The institute operates in Russia’s defense sector.

Ukraine did not block Trump’s social network Truth Social, said Foreign Ministry spokesman Heorhiy Tykhyi.
Today, rumors spread that Ukraine had allegedly blocked Truth Social. This is fake, as Trump’s social network is not available in Ukraine. It operates only in a few countries, including the United States, Canada, Brazil, and Australia.
β€œWe would appreciate it if Truth Social added Ukraine to its permitted region of operation,” Tykhyi said.

Igotjelly · 21/02/2025 12:10

The United States may fully withdraw from the United Nations β€” Congress will consider the bill.

Whilst I realise this is a tragedy and that the US have been a lynchpin for years, purely aimed at Trump I hope the door doesn’t hit him on the way out!

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 12:17

There's been a huge amount of criticism of the UN, and imo a lot of it justified, but if the US does withdraw then it's going to be gutted and a lot of good work will no longer be done.

Also everyone has a vote at the UN and that gives smaller countries a voice, who are otherwise going to be overlooked.

MagicFox · 21/02/2025 12:20

I find the US withdrawal from everything incredibly depressing. The post war order is being totally demolished and I honestly don't know what the new one will look like. But I hope it's characterised by order. Seems like a far off hope at mo

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PerkingFaintly · 21/02/2025 12:22

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/02/2025 11:40

New God-Emperor

Yes.

And this isn't out of the blue. It's been signalled for a long time.

Natsku · 21/02/2025 12:25

Igotjelly · 21/02/2025 12:10

The United States may fully withdraw from the United Nations β€” Congress will consider the bill.

Whilst I realise this is a tragedy and that the US have been a lynchpin for years, purely aimed at Trump I hope the door doesn’t hit him on the way out!

Well I hope the door does hit him on the way out Grin

Igotjelly · 21/02/2025 12:29

Agree for all the justified complaints the UN does some fantastic work on the ground, as ever done by normal people just squirreling away to make the world better.

The old world order is gone IMO, nothing can now save it in the form it was previously in. I worry how far wrong things will go before they settle into whatever the new order looks like.

Igotjelly · 21/02/2025 12:29

I genuinely believe the US and Europe will never have the same relationship they have previously again. Who knows what the Us will look like once Trump is done.

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