Lucy Letby press conference

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There is a press conference going on now trying to get Lucy Letby's conviction overturned. From what I read the guilty verdict was sound. All those ill babies dying when she was alone with them. Just a coincidence? Already been refused an appeal.

I have never felt this conviction is safe. Same hospital caused my friend’s baby to suffer brain trauma at birth. The hospital were failing for years, was Lucy a scapegoat? Have any murders even been committed.

That was not a confession note, but the words of someone struggling with being blamed for this. It doesn’t prove anything.

Yeah, she is just really average looking and happens to be white. This argument is so flimsy.

There's very little evidence against her.

But they weren't all "very very poorly". This is just false.

Several were quoted as thriving, being well on the way to being released from the unit, doing well, when they had "sudden unexpected collapses".

This type of response is one of the worst IMO (along with the 'lucky she's a white woman' trope). The abject suffering of the families is horrendous, no question about that. Should a woman remain imprisoned on 15 whole life orders when there is significant doubt about the safety of her convictions and she could well be entirely innocent?

Or does the families' grief outweigh the need for a fair and robust judicial system?

I don't think we've yet had a clinician who wasn't white convicted of multiple murders in the NHS, have we? So it's hard to call.

There was however the case of Dr Hadiza Bawa Garba, who was convicted of GNM after being placed in a frankly appalling position, but thankfully was never imprisoned. She was initially struck off but was successfully able to overturn this, and is now a consultant.

Is this all explained away somewhere?

Appreciate the insulin post below on detail

I think some people have taken on views like this as a sort of religion. A woman convicted of a heinous serial murder on flimsy evidence is "lucky" because she's white. It's nuts but they can't see it - they have faith in their dogma

Stop with the race baiting grift. There are families grieving the death of their babies and potentially, an innocent woman in prison for the rest of her life with most of the population baying for a hanging.

Unless they were at the trial, this means nothing at all.

These are Dr Phil Hammond's articles on theLetby case for Private Eye: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/special-reports/lucy-letby

I think there's at least a strong possibility that there's been a miscarriage of justice.

One thing that initially convinced me of her guilt was the spreadsheet showing she was on duty when all the babies died. But this Unherd article points out that there were several other incidents and suspicious deaths that happened when Letby wasn't on duty, but these were omitted from the final spreadsheet so that it looked as if she was always on duty when suspicious deaths occurred.

https://unherd.com/2025/02/why-the-letby-case-isnt-closed/

This article in the Telegraph points out some of the problems with the evidence used to convict her.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/04/the-10-baby-deaths-that-cast-doubt-on-lucy-letbys-guilt/

https://archive.ph/GjXHl

It’s key that the truth comes out. Especially if Letby is innocent. Would you really want to believe your child had been murdered by someone innocent rather than died due to lack of care at a shoddy hospital that could happen again to others as nothing was learnt?

There is no gain for them. This is about finding the truth. It's not about jumping to prove her innocence, but if she didn't kill or injure the babies, then something else went very very wrong. Incompetence. Staff shortages. Poor management. Lack of expertise. Poor communication. The system. Any or all of these. Or any other number of reasons which need to be acknowledged and addressed. I think the most important thing of all is that the parents find out what happened, if it turns out that their babies were not in fact murdered.

A girl in my class used to scribble her fist name with the surname of the boy she fancied in her books. Over and over again. Didn’t mean she was married to the boy.

Reminds me of the Lucia De Berk case in Holland, a paediatric nurse who was sentenced to life and accused of poisoning many babies. Turned out she was innocent.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a scapegoat or a cover up for the failing ward. I’m surprised she ever got a guilty sentence with the lack of evidence.

It must be horrendous for the poor families of the babies, as well as Letby if she is indeed innocent.

@CorduroySituation yes they were! They were all in intensive or high dependency care. They were all very vulnerable babies. Even apparently 'thriving' babies in intensive care can and do deteriorate very rapidly and unexpectedly.

She didn't confess. She said it was her fault, which is totally different.

The one thing that won't be reexamined I suspect is whether mismanagement caused those babies deaths e.g. the fact that raw sewage was coming out of the sinks.

Accusing Letby has certainly diverted everyone from a rather more complex potential cause.

I really don't know what to think about this in relation to her guilt or innocence. the evidence is complex and I personally find it quite difficult to follow and understand. What I do know is that this must be agony for the bereaved parents

Whats your take on situation with grooming gangs then?

I agree with pp the diary sounds like flimsy evidence

It's all the medical stuff which, going by the insulin post below, is complex and would need explanation

@SpringBunnyHopHop I see your point and I can only imagine what the families are going through. But, regretfully, it is something they must endure for us to seek justice.

The sewage concern was also mentioned in the press conference today.

It’s a search for the truth and the application of justice.

I don’t want to live in a society that locks innocent people away, forever, with no hope of release because their assertions can’t be tested.

yet another waste of taxpayer money on this creature. I believe she’s as guilty as sin and where she needs to be.

Obviously guilty and I agree with the people who say it's offensive and distressing to the parents of the victims to imply otherwise.