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Lucy Letby press conference

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Viviennemary · 04/02/2025 10:27

There is a press conference going on now trying to get Lucy Letby's conviction overturned. From what I read the guilty verdict was sound. All those ill babies dying when she was alone with them. Just a coincidence? Already been refused an appeal.

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tryingtohidehere · 04/02/2025 13:32

OnlyThickBeans · 04/02/2025 13:31

I also think she’s a bit odd and socially inept which has been interpreted as evidence of her guilt somehow.

I am fairly sure I’d appear odd and socially inept if I’d been subjected to a sustained campaign at work, arrested three times and convicted or multiple murders. She was also almost certainly on strong as fuck anti depressants which will have made her appear emotionless and indifferent when she won’t have been, regardless whether she’s innocent or guilty.

TENSsion · 04/02/2025 13:32

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She’s been sentenced to life in prison. How is that lucky?

TheRealHousewife · 04/02/2025 13:33

I’m not a medical person.

The families of the lost babies have my upmost sympathy!

I listened to the Press Conference and I must say it was damming. The expert panel (made up from the leading medical personal from the world’s top medical institutions) said the evidence is overwhelming that no crime was committed and no babies were murdered. There isn’t any medical evidence! It did say what was clear is that babies had multiple illnesses/conditions; the hospital was ill equipped to deal with such premature and ill babies; understaffed and under qualified and was out of its depth. It also said the staff were not qualified enough to care for the babies. They said that the ‘evidence’/deaths should have been peer reviewed before any prosecutions. They literally put the cart before the horse.

I feel this case will be groundbreaking for future procedures and ‘expert witnesses testimonies’.

That said it isn’t a given that LL will be given a retrial. Although in this instance I really hope she does!

ThisFluentBiscuit · 04/02/2025 13:33

paulyispoorly · 04/02/2025 12:46

And the injections of air.....

And the fact that she was caught with her hands in the crib by the mother, harming one of them, and the fact that one of the babies she was assigned to look after had injuries that were akin to having been in a car crash.

Her trial was nine months long and was as thorough as could possibly be. I do not think that all those incredibly bright people presenting evidence against her were wrong.

notanothernamechange24 · 04/02/2025 13:33

@febmayjune87 you might prefer that but many don't. Many don't like hearing there is nothing that could've been done. Just look at the situations with poor kids on life support with parents unable to let go and a baying mob outside calling for the doctors to be sacked etc. some people always want someone to blame.

EasternStandard · 04/02/2025 13:33

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In what way?

user243245346 · 04/02/2025 13:34

"It isn’t me who brought it up. A lot of posters are claiming that her case has only generated supporters because she’s white."

@tryingtohidehere - ah I see what you mean. How nuts- she has been convicted of a heinous serial murder on very flimsy evidence yet somehow its only criticised because she has white privilege! Insanity

TizerorFizz · 04/02/2025 13:34

Her lawyers are asking for a case review in the light of new opinion and “evidence”. The new opinions of this panel will go to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. We have to wait for them to say what should happen next. Views on here are not going to affect anything. She’s already lost two attempts to appeal her conviction.

Dmsandfloatydress · 04/02/2025 13:34

Because if she was a working class, black woman or worse, black man its likely that any miscarriage of justice would be completely ignored. Its called unconscious bias. People identify with lucy because she is an everywoman. Young, reasonably attractive, white and blonde.

OnlyThickBeans · 04/02/2025 13:34

tryingtohidehere · 04/02/2025 13:32

I am fairly sure I’d appear odd and socially inept if I’d been subjected to a sustained campaign at work, arrested three times and convicted or multiple murders. She was also almost certainly on strong as fuck anti depressants which will have made her appear emotionless and indifferent when she won’t have been, regardless whether she’s innocent or guilty.

Some of her behaviour at the times of the death was also odd. I’m not judging her - I just think her eccentric personality has been used as ammunition.

Bodybutterblusher · 04/02/2025 13:34

Sunshineandrainbow · 04/02/2025 12:51

Wow it's all very concerning

Why do all these people want to jump on the case to prove her innocence? What is their gain?

Truth. This is what experts do. Analysis with the goal of accuracy.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 04/02/2025 13:35

I don't understand how there was no medical evidence that the babies had been harmed. There was tons of it! Huge doses of insulin, overfeeding, air introduced, physical attacks.

Sunshineandrainbow · 04/02/2025 13:35

Sunshineandrainbow · 04/02/2025 12:51

Wow it's all very concerning

Why do all these people want to jump on the case to prove her innocence? What is their gain?

Sorry this was badly written by me.

I was meaning surely they have a good case to show that she could be innocent as they have nothing to gain. Apart from yes helping someone whom could actually be innocent

Hohofortherobbers · 04/02/2025 13:35

I recall an argument being made that the insulin may have been naturally occurring in the very ill baby and not in fact artificially administered.
I agree there should be a retrial. I followed the trial via the Mail podcast and would not have been convinced of her guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.

wipeywipe · 04/02/2025 13:36

How nuts- she has been convicted of a heinous serial murder on very flimsy evidence yet somehow it's only criticised because she has white privilege! Insanity

Have we got more stupid as a society, it's unbelievable!

DemeraraAbyss · 04/02/2025 13:37

The level of proof needed for a criminal conviction is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ NOT ‘balance of probability’. If there is sufficient to establish reasonable doubt now (and there seems to be) then she must be retried.

wipeywipe · 04/02/2025 13:37

Because if she was a working class, black woman or worse, black man it's likely that any miscarriage of justice would be completely ignored. Its called unconscious bias. People identify with lucy because she is an everywoman. Young, reasonably attractive, white and blonde.

So we should ignore then because others are ignored 🤔

tryingtohidehere · 04/02/2025 13:37

Dmsandfloatydress · 04/02/2025 13:34

Because if she was a working class, black woman or worse, black man its likely that any miscarriage of justice would be completely ignored. Its called unconscious bias. People identify with lucy because she is an everywoman. Young, reasonably attractive, white and blonde.

I don’t doubt there’s some truth in that but what do you think should happen, then? Spend the rest of her life in prison even if there’s a good chance she’s innocent to prove we’re not racist or sexist?

user243245346 · 04/02/2025 13:38

EasternStandard · 04/02/2025 13:24

I don't think the diary is the most compelling point but the insulin?

If someone has a reason for what has happened there

Again the insulin evidence is not conclusive and no clear evidence that. She gave insulin to any of the babies

spritsailking · 04/02/2025 13:38

I do think there needs to be a retrial, so many holes in the last one

PiggyPigalle · 04/02/2025 13:39

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Yeah, very lucky that she got life in prison. Thank God there are no black nurses in the NHS, or they might have got blamed instead.

Gilead · 04/02/2025 13:39

I have no clue as to whether or not she was innocent, I’d like to read through the new evidence. But this is exactly the reason we should not have the death penalty reinstated.

user243245346 · 04/02/2025 13:39

wipeywipe · 04/02/2025 13:37

Because if she was a working class, black woman or worse, black man it's likely that any miscarriage of justice would be completely ignored. Its called unconscious bias. People identify with lucy because she is an everywoman. Young, reasonably attractive, white and blonde.

So we should ignore then because others are ignored 🤔

Actually there are and have been many campaigns against wrongful convictions of people from working class or minority ethnic communities. That's just nonsensical

chouxchoux · 04/02/2025 13:40

For those questioning the "slam dunk" insulin evidence, this is snipped from Private Eye, link is here: www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/lucy-letby-4.pdf

THE first and unanimous jury findings against Letby were guilty verdicts on two counts of attempted murder by insulin poisoning. Dr Anna Milan, a biochemist at the Royal Liverpool Hospital, testifed that tests carried out at her hospital showed insulin had been given to two babies rather than being produced by the pancreas, and as they were not prescribed insulin it was either an error or deliberate harm. Her reasoning was that the tests showed the two babies had very high levels of insulin in their blood but very low levels of C-peptide. The accuracy of these tests was corroborated by Dr Gwen Wark, director of the RSCH Peptide Hormone Laboratory in Guildford, a specialist centre for insulin testing. The results were interpreted in court by Prof Peter Hindmarsh, a paediatric endocrinologist employed by the prosecution but acting for the court. He explained that C-peptide is produced with insulin in the body; it therefore follows that if there is very little C-peptide present, the insulin must have been introduced from outside. Letby and her defence even accepted that there had been a poisoner at work on the ward, but that it wasn’t her. That single exchange might well have sunk her. Neither knew about defnitive insulin tests, and they weren’t alone. As Dr Evans told MD: “I didn’t even know that there was more than one way of measuring insulin until I read the comments from Wayne Jones [see below].”

WHAT THE JURY SHOULD ALSO HAVE HEARD: Alan Wayne Jones, a professor of toxicology, is adamant that the immunoassay method used to measure insulin is insuffcient to accurately determine the level in a criminal trial, because of the risk of false results. Other experts have explained how false results using this test are even more common in neonates. Instructions posted on the Liverpool laboratory website where the samples were analysed clearly states that if “factitious administration of insulin” is suspected, the samples should be sent to a specialist laboratory for proper forensic analysis. This was never done, and the jury was never told of this failing. Far from being two barn-door cases of insulin poisoning, the blood results were not noted as suspicious by doctors at the time and were only picked up months later in a notes trawl, when it was too late to do defnitive testing. Another insulin expert confrmed to MD: “The results are, in my view, conclusive: there is no evidence of insulin poisoning.”

greyripples · 04/02/2025 13:41

Viviennemary · 04/02/2025 11:46

Press conference has finished. I'm still not convinced about the grounds for a retrial. She confessed in a diary type entry found at her flat

I have no opinion one way or the other on whether or not she is guilty however I did not take those notes to be a confession; she had already been accused and to me they were just thoughts running through her mind, which included things that people had said to her and accused her of.

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