Lucy Letby press conference

[Viviennemary]

There is a press conference going on now trying to get Lucy Letby's conviction overturned. From what I read the guilty verdict was sound. All those ill babies dying when she was alone with them. Just a coincidence? Already been refused an appeal.

I think she did it BUT the evidence is flawed and the court can’t say it adds up to unreasonable doubt so she shouldn’t be imprisoned!

Always thought she might be the scapegoat for a dirty, failing hospital with a NICU staffed by inexperienced doctors.

The trial made me believe she is guilty. There were worrying things though. She is not the first person to have their personality against them, being awkward doesn't make you a mass murderer. The statistics were also questionable. She was in contact with all of the babies she was on trial for, but they didn't show how many other babies that died when she didn't have contact with them.

To be honest, I haven't had my mind changed yet, but everyone deserve a fair trial. It seems increasingly unlikely that she did.

Why didn't her legal team raise these issues during the trial?

Perhaps she is innocent and they don't think it is fair for someone to be locked up for life with no evidence of wrong doing?

Isn't this also a case which shows the jury system of lay people is not fit for purpose for complicated cases -ie complicated medical cases or say fraud?

A system of more "qualified" jury pools may be needed for some cases.

Or that the nhs was negligent in some way and then tried to cover it up rather than admitting failings on the unit.

Because most of us would like to think that if we or a loved one were convicted of something we were innocent of, and then evidence came to light which supported our claim, that justice would prevail.

The whole thing has always been a complete travesty. It should horrify everyone that the judicial system can turn up a shit show of such grave proportions.

Awful for everyone: Lucy herself, whose life has been wrecked, and the families of the babies that died in a dirty, poorly staffed, poorly run hospital. That they've been led to believe their babies were murdered callously can only have intensified the pain and heartbreak they've been through.

This is exactly my stance.

I would like to know the answer to that. The expert witness for the prosecution presenting the findings of another scientist. That scientist says his research was misrepresented by the expert. So why wasn't the scientist called by the defence to rebutt it. It's very strange.

It’s appalling it was used full stop.

I do wonder if there’d br all this examination if she’d been black rather than a pretty white girl,

I don't know if she was awkward - from what I remember she was the typical 'girl next door' - socially adept with no skeletons in her closet but could be spiky with colleagues. I think her being generally neutral during the trial didn't help her case. The only emotion she expressed was when the married doctor she allegedly had an affair with gave evidence at her trial.

Their gain? Surely the gain is having a just criminal justice system?
Convicting someone without evidence proving guilt is a heck of a slippery slope! Do you really think it's ok for a woman to be locked up and have the key thrown away IF she is innocent?

This far guilt has not been safely proven without doubt. The prosecution have misrepresented theories as hard evidence. This evidence does not stack up and now medical experts have reviewed information that was not in the public domain pre trial.

Hopefully yes. They are saying deaths were natural causes or poor medical care. No evidence of any murders. Hopefully the hospital will be held to account and all the staff involved not just one scapegoat.

Not this again.

If she has been wrongly convicted she should absolutely have a retrial. That stands regardless of what colour or sex someone is.

But to be honest I do think in this case if she was black there would be public interest and reaction. Believe me, there are a lot of absolutely rabid anti Letby people about. They don’t seem to mind that she’s white.

Sadly, I'm inclined to wonder the same

@WilmaFlintstone1 actually I think it would be easier for people to believe she was a scapegoat. There's nothing to suggest these experts came forwards because of the colour of her skin.

I’m hopeful we’ll never have to find out.

How do we explain then that somebody working there was poisoning some of the babies with insulin?

then point is , has it been adequately proved that air embolism or insulin was the cause of death beyond doubt? the expert is saying there could have been other reasons that the babies died

There's definitely a bigger than zero chance she's innocent, and if she is, then this is one of the biggest miscarriages of justice ever.

If she's ever freed, she'll need a new identity and will be looking over her shoulder for the rest of her life.

Christ, if she’s not guilty how on earth will she be able to build a life out of prison. This must be utterly gut wrenching for the babies parents.

See I think the opposite. People would rather believe these poor children died because they were too unwell to live, the idea that someone killed them or hurt them is horrible.

I have no idea if she or anyone is guilty

As I recall Private Eye said the analysis used to convict her was done by an expert who has a bit of a record of making the facts fit the theory.