Pronouns at work/being gender critical at work etc

[Leafstamp]

If you are a woman and have your pronouns in your email signature at work, can I ask why?

If you haven't given it much thought, are you open to being persuaded that, albeit in a small way, this practice of declaring pronouns is contributing to a movement that harms women, children and LGB people?

Equally, if you are already clued up on this and consider yourself a sex realist/gender critical are you able to be open about this at work and challenge instances were gender identity ideology is being unduly promoted? Do you find that others agree with you?

I work in a small company where none of this goes on, so I am curious.

I was NHS. Something that amused me was noting who jumped on the bandwagon- then who quietly got off again as the fashion faded 🤭

Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss covers what sex you are.

Pronouns indicate either coercion or swallowing the KoolAid.

Same in my organisation. I think people will look back on this period with red faces.

You're not being inclusive.

What you're actually doing is signalling to any woman who needs single sex spaces that you're not a safe person.

I'm proud to be a woman and don't have any issue advertising that I am on to anyone I correspond with.

I'm not. How is being born with a vulva something to be proud of? It would be like being proud of being born with ears.

I also am happy to be inclusive

You aren't inclusive of autistic women like me.

"Spoke to Sam in Legal about the Jones case, who informed me that it's still ongoing"
"According to Sam in Legal, the Jones case is still ongoing"
"I spoke to Sam in Legal about the Jones case: it is still ongoing"
"Sam in Legal told me that the Jones case is still ongoing"

Just off the top of my head, four different versions, none of which mention Sam's sex or gender, nor use the sometimes confusing 'they'. The fact is, you are just curious to know whether Sam is male or female, but you actually have no professional reason why you need to know.

There are many reasons why people sre proud to be a woman

What's the relation of the autism here?

Cool.
Not sure how you've managed to connect the two statements. I didn't realise giving ones own lived experience isn't allowed.

Its not confusing. That's just used by people who don't want to admit they're being ignorant.

It can get quite confusing.

"Zavi & Avi came over, they both like lemonade, but Zavi said they don't like pink lemonade." Who doesn't like pink lemonade? Is it just Zavi, or both of them?

That I can understand.

I just don't feel the vast majority genuinely don't understand, they just don't like it.

I struggle with lying. That includes lies like "your dress is lovely" when I think it isn't and "she" when someone is clearly male. By stating pronouns, you tell me that a) you might be someone male who I am going to struggle with lying about and b) you are likely to take exception if I use "he" or "they", no matter whether I intended to or not. This creates anxiety for me.

I used to write the minutes for Faculty meetings and used 'they' whenever indicating a person had commented on something as there was no need to indicate the sex of the person speaking.
In normal conversation it can get confusing and it's tiring to keep up. I manage pretty well in conversation with my daughter about her they/them friends but sometimes have to stop and clarify whether the 'they' in a particular instance is a person or people.

I'm struggling to parse your last sentence: too many instances of "don't".

Speaking of pretending to not understand something when actually you're just being ignorant..

Most people don't take exception to a genuine mistake.

Re the lying, just because other people use pronouns doesn't mean they're not being inclusive to you. It might not be something you feel able to do, but that doesn't mean we should eradicate them completely. I don't imagine you'd want people going around telling people their dress is awful when they usually wouldn't, just because you struggle with this

You don't need pronouns for this. In a professional context I tend to sign off with my first name but write my sex based title and name in full underneath if it is a first exchange.
People who are not trans using pronouns are virtue signalling or have been bullied into it. Trans people who do it are trying to make you ignore the evidence of your eyes. Every thing about gender ideology is misogynistic and homophobic. See: https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

just because other people use pronouns doesn't mean they're not being inclusive to you.

Did you read what I wrote?

When you put pronouns in your email signature:

1. You tell me that you are someone who thinks it's OK to lie about what sex you are.
2. You tell me that you are someone who expects me to play along with that lie.
3. You tell me that, like Luna Spain or the "it's ma'am" guy, you are likely to be unforgiving of mistakes, let alone dissent.

Nope. I'm struggling to figure out how to apply what might be a double negative or might be a triple negative.

This is disingenuous, I'm not engaging.

Of course you are.
Sadly we will both have to go on with our lives regardless.

Tell me you've never seen the "it's ma'am" guy video without telling me...

I was taught at school to avoid writing double negatives for that exact reason. Shame that your school failed you.

You seem a bit obsessed with me and my posts and determined to bait me. Its quite sad really. I hope you can heal from whatever it is that makes you want to insult people, their upbringing, their school life for no reason at all. I'm sure your wee fingers will be tap tapping away for another response but I won't be replying.

It's you that called me "ignorant" when I struggled with your poor grammar. I'm just returning the favour.

You turned up on this thread to bait the lot of us, so you can hardly talk.

Yes I think unicorn has jumped into this without much awareness of what's actually been happening.