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Thread 16 Starmer - Mad World

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DuncinToffee · 21/01/2025 08:47

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Spandauer · 29/01/2025 08:56

Plumbing the depths?

British maritime technology company SubSea Craft (SSC) has announced Penny Mordaunt, former Secretary of State for Defence, as its new Chair of the Board.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk/penny-mordaunt-appointed-chair-of-subsea-craft/

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 09:13

A basket of healthy food costs more than double that of less healthy options, according to new analysis.

The Food Foundation found that 1,000 calories of healthy food such as fruit and veg costs £8.80, compared to £4.30 for the equivalent amount of less healthy food, such as ready meals and processed meats.

The charity is warning that low-income families are being priced out of being able to afford to eat healthily.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpql53p9w14o

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Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 29/01/2025 09:42

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 09:13

A basket of healthy food costs more than double that of less healthy options, according to new analysis.

The Food Foundation found that 1,000 calories of healthy food such as fruit and veg costs £8.80, compared to £4.30 for the equivalent amount of less healthy food, such as ready meals and processed meats.

The charity is warning that low-income families are being priced out of being able to afford to eat healthily.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpql53p9w14o

I regard myself as very lucky that I live somewhere that has a weekly street market and also has a local shop/PO that does fresh fruit and veg at very good prices.
(Yesterday - large punnet of strawberries, large punnet of raspberries, large punnet of blueberries, 3 avocados and 3 peppers for £5.)
I realise I'm lucky and a bit atypical in this respect but I still take exception to the opening statement
The Food Foundation found that 1,000 calories of healthy food such as fruit and veg costs £8.80, compared to £4.30 for the equivalent amount of less healthy food, such as ready meals and processed meats.
A few examples - Sainsbury do carrots at 69p a kilo (410 cal/kg) and potatoes at £1.35 for 2kg (700 cal/kg)
So less than £2 for 1000 calories of carrots, about a quid for 1000 calories of spuds.
I believe there are huge problems with geavily processed foods and ready meals (upf is one of my pet hates) - but I think the problem is more related to education and the perceived convenience of ready meals rather than just being down to cost.

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 09:49

Here is the full report

https://foodfoundation.org.uk/publication/broken-plate-2025

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Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 29/01/2025 09:49

Cheers - I'll read it

PandoraSox · 29/01/2025 10:10

Zonder · 28/01/2025 23:25

Did the will Britain become an islamic state thread get deleted?

Yes, it did.

I wish the asylum seekers thread would be too, the OP vanished, unsurprisingly.

Almost deleted my membership last night as I spent too much time on that thread yesterday arguing with bigots and outright racists.

There is slavering for a Reform victory, but couched in terms of "oh dear if the goverment doesn't do something we will end up with Reform" etc. At least have the guts to say that is what you actually want.

Rant over!

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 10:22

Rachel Reeves is giving a speech on economic growth.

Maybe we can start a bingo game for 'rachel from accounts' mentions?

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bombastix · 29/01/2025 10:25

I think Reeves is having an awful time but she does seem to have been pretty naive on the time she took to write her budget and the reception it was going to get. She has taken a big risk. My hope is that she succeeds but I do think she needs to be a lot more strategic in her presentation and plan for the brickbats.

Notonthestairs · 29/01/2025 11:00

"There is slavering for a Reform victory, but couched in terms of "oh dear if the goverment doesn't do something we will end up with Reform" etc. At least have the guts to say that is what you actually want."

Reform are just a vehicle for the super low tax system they want - the reason why Tice, Candy etc talk about how much they admire the expat lifestyle of Dubai etc.

Plus as Reform are policy lite so they can imagine they'll offer all sorts of impractical unaffordable shit that not even the Conservatives would pretend would be workable.

But really not sure we should be taking advice on the economy from anyone that pushed for Brexit.

Labour should have reversed Hunt's NI cuts - absolutely ridiculous that the Conservatives ploughed on with that.

Notonthestairs · 29/01/2025 11:02

YouGov find just 30% of people think we were right to leave the EU. The lowest number yet.

Just 10% of 18-24 year olds think it was the right decision.

bsky.app/profile/samfr.bsky.social/post/3lgusx7tly32h

Fucks sakes.

derxa · 29/01/2025 11:11

bombastix · 29/01/2025 10:25

I think Reeves is having an awful time but she does seem to have been pretty naive on the time she took to write her budget and the reception it was going to get. She has taken a big risk. My hope is that she succeeds but I do think she needs to be a lot more strategic in her presentation and plan for the brickbats.

Given that her budget threatens to put many people out of business she deserves the brickbats.

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 11:11

Lord Hesseltine on BBC politics live a few days ago

"The creation of the EU Single Market was Margaret Thatcher's greatest achievements"

"I am appalled by Brexit"

"I don't believe for an instant that we should accept the verdict of a pack of lies, in order to persuade people to sever our relations with Europe"

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DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 11:14

brickbats with a big dose of misogyny

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2dogsandabudgie · 29/01/2025 11:24

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 09:13

A basket of healthy food costs more than double that of less healthy options, according to new analysis.

The Food Foundation found that 1,000 calories of healthy food such as fruit and veg costs £8.80, compared to £4.30 for the equivalent amount of less healthy food, such as ready meals and processed meats.

The charity is warning that low-income families are being priced out of being able to afford to eat healthily.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpql53p9w14o

I don't think it has to be one or the other. A pack of 12 Richmond sausages were on offer for £2.00 last week. Cook those together with carrots, peas and mashed potato, gravy and you have a fairly healthy and cheap meal with 2 of your 5 a day.

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 11:32

The point made is that healthy food prices have risen far more than less healthy food prices. which makes it more difficult to provide on a low budget.

Thread 16 Starmer - Mad World
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PandoraSox · 29/01/2025 11:39

2dogsandabudgie · 29/01/2025 11:24

I don't think it has to be one or the other. A pack of 12 Richmond sausages were on offer for £2.00 last week. Cook those together with carrots, peas and mashed potato, gravy and you have a fairly healthy and cheap meal with 2 of your 5 a day.

I think you have just proved the point, though. Richmond sausages are low in meat content and full of additives, hence they are cheap. Better quality sausages with a higher meat content are much more expensive.

pointythings · 29/01/2025 11:43

Richmond sausages are poor quality shite.

bombastix · 29/01/2025 11:44

@derxa - whether she deserves them or not remains to be seen. If she succeeds this will all fall away.

But Labour are too technocratic and not clever enough on purpose and their communication.

Reeves should have known that her budget would be very very contentious and that every element had to be bullet proofed. She took a long time to write it, and it's not impressive to me that she is scrabbling around like this.

I did like Jonathan Reynolds this morning who talked about the UK's crumbling infrastructure, the need for new reservoirs is one example. If we are going to have 60 million plus people in England we are going to need them.

bombastix · 29/01/2025 11:48

pointythings · 29/01/2025 11:43

Richmond sausages are poor quality shite.

42 percent pork which is the legal minimum.

That 42 percent covers MRM, ie eyelids, arse, and anything else that can be steamed off the carcass

cardibach · 29/01/2025 11:50

bombastix · 29/01/2025 11:44

@derxa - whether she deserves them or not remains to be seen. If she succeeds this will all fall away.

But Labour are too technocratic and not clever enough on purpose and their communication.

Reeves should have known that her budget would be very very contentious and that every element had to be bullet proofed. She took a long time to write it, and it's not impressive to me that she is scrabbling around like this.

I did like Jonathan Reynolds this morning who talked about the UK's crumbling infrastructure, the need for new reservoirs is one example. If we are going to have 60 million plus people in England we are going to need them.

Is she ‘scrabbling around’? That seems a very value laden phrase for what she’s doing.

Zonder · 29/01/2025 11:52

DuncinToffee · 29/01/2025 11:11

Lord Hesseltine on BBC politics live a few days ago

"The creation of the EU Single Market was Margaret Thatcher's greatest achievements"

"I am appalled by Brexit"

"I don't believe for an instant that we should accept the verdict of a pack of lies, in order to persuade people to sever our relations with Europe"

I've always loved him. Used to have to remind myself he was still a Tory! Although he seems worlds apart from more recent Tories in government.

Araminta1003 · 29/01/2025 11:53

I thought the talk she just gave was good. At least it is more positive now.
However, there is still pussy footing around the real issue which is work culture. The US just work longer hours and take far less holidays than we do. Compared to much of Europe, we do work quite hard, but not compared to many Asia countries and US, on average. If you want growth, you also need your population to simply work harder and I do not think the appetite for that is here. There has to be more of an incentive here to make work pay and to make more work pay more. The whole tax system disincentives additional work. No mention from her on the huge disincentives in the tax system.
Secondly, if you look at how eg the Swiss do things. They build a data centre but then use energy from the data centre to give it to locals for free. If you want local infrastructure projects to succeed and go through without much grumbling (we are a grumbling nation), then you have to offer the locals a concrete incentive like that. Let them all benefit in a very real way.

On the defined benefit pension scheme ploughing surpluses back. Again, unless pensions invest in British companies, then exactly how is that going to help. If they simply buy foreign stocks. Equity investment to British companies is what we need.

It seems to be yet again that positivity is good, but we need more of a buy-in from the whole population. Every single person needs to want to contribute and feel positive. And how do you achieve that? With the constant negativity everywhere and the grumbling. It is like we lost our self confidence as a nation.

bombastix · 29/01/2025 11:54

@cardibach - I am totally unimpressed by the Heathrow announcement which is literally one of the oldest ideas in the Treasury going. It suggests to me that there quite a lot of scrabbling.

I think this government is supposed to have trade, business and investment strategies. Six months in, where are we? Heathrow. Not impressed

Zonder · 29/01/2025 11:54

PandoraSox · 29/01/2025 11:39

I think you have just proved the point, though. Richmond sausages are low in meat content and full of additives, hence they are cheap. Better quality sausages with a higher meat content are much more expensive.

I was just about to say this. We had a pack of Richmonds in the freezer to use up. Usually if we have sausages we get Tesco finest. I was shocked at the obvious difference between them. I usually only use the Richmonds to stick in a casserole so don't really notice. They certainly didn't taste meaty.

bombastix · 29/01/2025 11:56

@Araminta1003 - on pensions, I think we must be one of the very few countries in the world where pension funds dominantly invest in assets overseas. This is not a massive vote of confidence in the UK.