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Thread 16 Starmer - Mad World

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DuncinToffee · 21/01/2025 08:47

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bombastix · 26/01/2025 13:31

Also, I love their attitude on security where they positively invite us to contribute. That is because they have very little to contribute! A cost to us at a time when we have to grow our economy and help our own people.

I'm pleased that Starmer will attend the meeting of the next 27, but the public stance of the EU has to change towards the UK. You cannot be full of these demands and expect a UK PM to survive politically if he agreed them.

SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 14:03

bombastix · 26/01/2025 13:12

It is not nonsense. The US has already indicated that it would meet requirements of the UK on foodstuffs to exclude chlorinated chicken and beef with hormones.

Why is it wrong to point out this stuff here? The EU are being massive prats. They are suing us over sand eels fgs. Their public position on negotiations is exactly what I put below.

It's illuminating to see how the US is going to deal with avian flu (price of eggs already up 30% with $9 a dozen now in the realm of possibility) without the federal agencies to oversee standards and livestock health.

Agencies that would be needed to enforce any hygiene standards in a trade deal.

Also the UK - playing by Farage rules - cannot be subject to a foreign court. And the US doesn't do "mutual courts".

bombastix · 26/01/2025 14:41

I agree. How does it work in practice?

But there would be no advantage for a US egg producer to export to the UK as the price is extortionate. The UK has high quality eggs (a legacy of Edwina Curry and the EU), and consumers here will choose those on price and quality. If we deregulate our own food standards then that's a different story.

Starmer repeated in Parliament this week that he would not accept lower food standards as part of a US deal. I did wonder exactly what that commitment meant, but we shall see.

bombastix · 26/01/2025 14:53

And I didn't answer the first part of your post @SerendipityJane. For a trade deal, all foodstuffs will have a tariff negotiated for each one with a preferential rate lower than the WTO rate.

The US doesn't export hormone beef or chlorinated chicken to the UK currently. UK customs authorities could stop these exports under their own powers by inspecting the certification that comes with each export on the origin of the goods.

In a trade deal, it is only those goods negotiated that get preferential rates. Each deal also provides for dispute resolution via arbitration independently.

The EU is the outlier here because it would like the UK to be subject to the European Court of Justice to resolve conflicts on food standards. The UK does not have to accept that, and it is very unusual to have a preferential trade agreement where the parties agree one party's domestic legal system will have that power.

This is why Farage et al get their arguments. The EU ask for a conspicuous WTO plus arrangement which they can affect by means of their own regulation. Now as a member of the EU you can trade this off as part of an overall deal which is good for a country. But piecemeal it is probably a bad deal if you are outside, as the UK now is.

SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 14:55

The simple fact of the matter is the US ain't gonna be exporting eggs if it can't supply it's own citizens.

And with the decline of the immigrant workforce, it may struggle to supply itself with other foodstuffs too.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 26/01/2025 15:13

While I hesitate to mention this (at the risk of being accused of being a nimby), the news about the Heathrow 3rd runway potentially being back on the table is a complete nightmare for the many tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people living nearby. Genuinely thought this option was off the table.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy08q9d1r2vo

Rachel Reeves being interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg in the studio

Rachel Reeves hints at support for Heathrow third runway

An announcement is expected next week, as part of major speech on plans to boost the economy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy08q9d1r2vo

SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 15:23

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 26/01/2025 15:13

While I hesitate to mention this (at the risk of being accused of being a nimby), the news about the Heathrow 3rd runway potentially being back on the table is a complete nightmare for the many tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people living nearby. Genuinely thought this option was off the table.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy08q9d1r2vo

It's almost as it the government doesn't really believe in climate change, isn't it ?

Well if doesn't, I won't either.

SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 16:17

Since climate change was mentioned, here's what Sandi Toskvig would be like if she did really heavy physics

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PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 16:40

DuncinToffee · 25/01/2025 19:47

I have seen that being spouted on various MN threads as well. Has he mentioned the socialist part of nazi yet?

That is getting a good airing now.

countrygirl99 · 26/01/2025 17:38

I always ask people who say he nazi were socialist because it's in the name if they also believe the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy, after all it's in the name.

Araminta1003 · 26/01/2025 17:40

How much longer until Trump and Musk fall out and we witness the clash of the egos/dynasty makers?

SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 17:51

Araminta1003 · 26/01/2025 17:40

How much longer until Trump and Musk fall out and we witness the clash of the egos/dynasty makers?

It depends if news of a fall out will hurt the self, if you see what I mean.

I suspect that currently it's in both Trump and Musks mutual interests to appear friendly. Just as it suited Hitler and Stalin to be BFFs for a while.

The real question is who has the might to hurt the other most ? One thing that I haven't seen mentioned (which may be an indication it's quietly being hidden) is how well Truth:Social is doing out of the Twitter diaspora.

Speaking of leaving Twitter, I notice that when you deactivate your account, it also removes the 2FA. Which means the account is vulnerable to being picked up by a targeted hacker before it is permanently removed.

Whether this is by design or an oversight would be interesting to know.

Incidentally, has anyone seen Kemi Badenoch actually saying out loud how she doesn't make gaffes ? It's a thing of wonderment. But not in a good way.

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DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 18:02

She told Kuenssberg that her 'evidence is her personal experience'

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SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 18:03

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 18:02

She told Kuenssberg that her 'evidence is her personal experience'

But my personal experience is that Kemi Badenoch is a useless twat.

How does that square ?

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 18:08

countrygirl99 · 26/01/2025 17:38

I always ask people who say he nazi were socialist because it's in the name if they also believe the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy, after all it's in the name.

I might have to borrow that if it is OK with you!

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 18:12

SerendipityJane · 26/01/2025 18:03

But my personal experience is that Kemi Badenoch is a useless twat.

How does that square ?

Like a round peg

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ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 18:16

Becoming LOTO has really exposed how useless Badenoch is. Her fan girls have gone awfully quiet too.

countrygirl99 · 26/01/2025 18:18

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 18:08

I might have to borrow that if it is OK with you!

No problem

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 18:20

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 18:16

Becoming LOTO has really exposed how useless Badenoch is. Her fan girls have gone awfully quiet too.

I got told on another thread that they aren't interested anymore in what she or the Conservatives have to say

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itsgettingweird · 26/01/2025 18:37

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 18:16

Becoming LOTO has really exposed how useless Badenoch is. Her fan girls have gone awfully quiet too.

Yes.

All she has to "hold the government to account" is shouting and misinformation.

When did it move from LOTO to actually questioning government to just shouting at them and having ridiculous common room debates and one upmanship?

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 18:46

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 18:20

I got told on another thread that they aren't interested anymore in what she or the Conservatives have to say

So they're now only interested in the loud voice of Reform? Whatever happened to the slavering over the sainted Kemi and her championing of women and the right to sacred spaces?

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 18:50

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 18:46

So they're now only interested in the loud voice of Reform? Whatever happened to the slavering over the sainted Kemi and her championing of women and the right to sacred spaces?

They haven't quite said that out loud yet

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DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 19:36

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 16:40

That is getting a good airing now.

I have just read that one Shock

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PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 19:50

DuncinToffee · 26/01/2025 19:36

I have just read that one Shock

I think it is atrocious that MNHQ is letting some of that crap stand.

Llttledrummergirl · 26/01/2025 19:51

So do I. I've a feeling that there's a higher chance of me being banned first though.