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Thread 15 Starmer - Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

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DuncinToffee · 13/01/2025 17:48

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Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 09:43

Inflation dropping is a good thing and the FTSE 250 has gone up. The BOE can only cut interest rates at inflation around 2 per cent though?

The US dollar remains too strong. Our currency has not gone up yet, not even against the euro.

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 09:46

:Some of them might be your friends and relatives. Honestly, I have been taken aback to find out a friend supports them.”

None amongst my group of friends and relatives. The young need to vote. I think that is the trick we are missing. Many are social media online junkies who have forgotten how dangerous things can get. The key is in this group. How to mobilise them. This is what the far right have understood.

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 09:47

CruCru · 15/01/2025 09:30

Hello, I’ve just found this thread. Am I right in thinking it is general chat about politics with some cat / dog photos? And that the posters are a broad church (so not all Tory or Labour)?

I am rather in favour of Latin and Greek. Latin is used in choral singing. If no one learns these things (for all that they are not modern) then they will be lost forever.

That's us, welcome Brew

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Notaflippinclue · 15/01/2025 09:48

Latin I found useful in medicine

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 09:51

https://bsky.app/profile/owenwntr.bsky.social/post/3lfrfn6wfvs25

In polls so far this year, among 2024 Labour voters:

7% Lib Dem
7% Reform
6% Green
4% Conservative

Striking how little political hay the Conservatives have made out of the government's rocky start

Con -> Reform 3.5%
Lab -> Reform 2.3%
Lab -> Green 1.9%
Lab -> Lib Dem 1.5%
Lab -> Con 1.1%
Lib Dem -> Reform 0.8%

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Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/01/2025 09:54

Agree with your comments @CruCru regarding Latin for choral music. Where would we be without our macaronic carols?

PandoraSox · 15/01/2025 09:56

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 09:46

:Some of them might be your friends and relatives. Honestly, I have been taken aback to find out a friend supports them.”

None amongst my group of friends and relatives. The young need to vote. I think that is the trick we are missing. Many are social media online junkies who have forgotten how dangerous things can get. The key is in this group. How to mobilise them. This is what the far right have understood.

I think like shy Tories, there are now shy Reformers. This friend I am talking about is a decent and kind person. It is hard to fathom their lurch from Tory to Reform.

I totally agree re: the young. My hope is that if they see that Reform does pose a potential threat, they will mobilise and get out to vote.

bombastix · 15/01/2025 09:56

I'm hoping that Reeves succeeds but the idea that the Chancellor can really change the rate of inflation does not bear scrutiny.

Chancellors of all stripes claim to reduce it but never never never are they responsible for raising it.

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 09:57

To be honest @CruCru - the education tax is far more of an issue for choral music than scrapping Latin in state schools? As a Lib Dem voter, I object to taxing education so Labour will never ever get my vote again. It is a red line for me, like Brexit. Something I cannot and will not forget. I have forgiven LibDem for higher education fees, seeing that it has lead to a greater percentage of the population going to uni, which means long term, better voting patterns. If you can counteract the social media brain rot.

PandoraSox · 15/01/2025 09:58

Welcome @CruCru !

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 09:59

Education tax?

Choral music is quite elite still isn't it?

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RafaistheKingofClay · 15/01/2025 10:00

Re: the Green Party graph from earlier in the thread.

That was one of the (possibly lesser reported) stories of the election. Men on that age group might have swung towards reform but 18-24 year old women have done totally the opposite and swung heavily for green. I think there are 39 seats where the greens came second to Labour. And they are streets ahead of reform in knowing how to get the most out of the FPTP system and targeting their seats.

Difficult to see how reform gets those votes without some fairly fundamental changes that make them not reform.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 15/01/2025 10:02

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 09:59

Education tax?

Choral music is quite elite still isn't it?

I sang in a church choir as a child (and got paid for it 🤣). I still sing in them. Both of my sons started in church choirs - both are following music as careers.
There is nothing elite about it at all. It costs nothing for a kid to sing.

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 10:05

Good to hear

I am not a churchgoer and only ever hear about choral music on MN or on tv when they show Cathedral choirs.

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Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 10:06

“Choral music is quite elite still isn't it?“ It is traditional, not elite. There is a very important and distinct line there. Some of us are centre left with social values but have some small “c” we would really like to preserve. To explain it - we want culture to not be top or bottom heavy, to be accessible to all, to be a plethora of the classic and the today. It is how we envision the social identity of Britain, a successful melting pot of everything. Liberal, respectful, but also strong social values/welfare, a celebration of the many.
We want Government funding for specialist music schools and choral music and traditions like that. But failing them being able to get their act together, because they won’t prioritise that in the face of NHS/social care breakdown, we want those things preserved, valued, respected. “Elitism” can be a dirty word. We prefer “tradition”. Some of us also want the monarchy respected, for example, but do want it to be self reflective and self improving.

Llttledrummergirl · 15/01/2025 10:09

As I posted on the faux mortgage rate thread, my variable rate mortgage has dropped the interest rate slightly.

To make a garden beautiful, you pull out the weeds and insidious growth, you don't feed and water it. The media has been complicit in feeding reform, to what end?

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 10:12

A lot of tradition is elite

Personally I would prefer government funding for a broad curriculum in all schools, including music.

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BestIsWest · 15/01/2025 10:12

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 10:12

A lot of tradition is elite

Personally I would prefer government funding for a broad curriculum in all schools, including music.

Spot on.

SerendipityJane · 15/01/2025 10:14

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 09:59

Education tax?

Choral music is quite elite still isn't it?

Kyrie eleison !

DuncinToffee · 15/01/2025 10:15

SerendipityJane · 15/01/2025 10:14

Kyrie eleison !

is the road that I must travel

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PandoraSox · 15/01/2025 10:18

Could someone please explain the Brixton reference from yesterday? I still don't get it!

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 10:24

They never funded Greek!

RafaistheKingofClay · 15/01/2025 10:25

I’m all for Latin being extended in schools, I’m just not sure that £4million on putting it in 40 schools is a particularly good use of money or makes it less elite tbh. Obviously ending it in the middle of the year is a shit thing to do.

And while the £4million itself is peanuts, I wonder how many similar projects are running across the DfE and other departments where you might be able to better meet objectives with less money. Knowing the last government quite a few probably and it might be better not to ask whose pockets all that money ended up in.

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 10:26

They are cancelling Latin though, because they associate it with “Tory” policy, Boris Johnson, plain and simple. It has never been about the children has it?

Araminta1003 · 15/01/2025 10:30

The main stream media being “complicit” in Reform success is an interesting one. The MSM can barely survive economically in light of social media targeted advertising/algorithms etc and streaming networks. So if you want them to survive, which is invaluable for free speech long term, then it is simply a necessary evil that they have had to become more click bait? Because for democracy to persist, you need main stream media in some shape or form to continue. At the end of it, the only solution is to teach the population to critically analyse their information sources, to understand how and when they are manipulated. To understand the huge value of education. Which always seems to end up at the bottom of the pile.

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