Trail Hunting or Fox Hunting?

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Just read a random pop up post in Facebook about hunting with hounds in the UK which I naively thought had been banned. I am shocked and quite amazed at my own ignorance. I genuinely didn't realise this still goes on and despite the law banning hunting. There is footage of the fox being pursued and the data shared is an eye opener.

No
This is if an animal is causing damage to your property.
Its not for during a hunt.
Its irrelevant

This act by the terriers was during and part of the hunt.

Except you have no more idea than I do if that particular fox was considered to be damaging stock etc - so you can no more definitively say it's not that than I could say it is. All I've done is answer why terrier men are sometimes present.

The thing is
A trail hunt is just that
It’s Following a trail and should have nothing to do with killing foxes….that’s the law !

So there is no legal reason to have terrier men there at all. Including terrier men digging out foxes from their sets in the middle of a hunt.

Yep defo the same where my family live. Exactly this. That side of my family are lifelong country dwellers, all farmers or family of farmers.

Exactly @GCAcademic and as you say they get away with this.
Labour need to get their act together with their promises and the police need to stop ignoring people breaking the law!

We need much tougher sentences as well

lol, yep - I know what trail hunting is thanks.

Clearly you were there when the photo was taken, so know all about the exact circumstances of the hunt being around and what the farm had to need the fox being culled. As I said, I don't know - I just wanted to help someone asking why they are allowed. With the official wording from the government.

I have. Took my favourite. Made sure my run was fix proof after that and didn't lose another one for over 15 years before I stopped keeping hens.

I had the misfortune to come face to face with a hunt whilst walking my dog. I was terrified they were going to attack her so my husband and I formed a shield.
Thankfully, they moved on.
I also don't understand how you can enjoy watching any animal being chased for hours, cornered and then torn to pieces. Absolutely vile!

PP reminded me that drag hunting ( following a human) is different from trail hunting (following a pre-laid scent), so hopefully drag hunting will not be be made illegal.

If all trail hunting is made illegal to stop some hunts hunting wild animals illegally, then the responsibility for that lies with those hunts which were deliberately breaking the law.

Absolutely. I grew up on a farm and kept chickens. We never lost one to foxes because my father installed fox proof fences. He also forbad hunters on his lands. He despised them, actually.

The question was why would terriermen be required at a trail hunt. The question remains unanswered as your link isn't relevant.

I've just found some pro-hunting you tube videos claiming to show sabs spraying 'noxious substances' at hounds. And guess what? They show sabs spraying the ground. Hounds are milling around. Will some spray have got on hounds? Quite likely. But its citronella mixed with water. Not a noxious substance.

These videos are pro-hunting propaganda. I get hunt supporters want to think they have a gotcha of 'see, look at these horrible sabs spraying hounds with noxious substances - see they don't care about animals at all' so interpret what they see in this light. But that really isn't what is happening and the videos don't support the pro-hunting claims.

Apologies Megifer, I'd missed that she was asking specifically about trail hunting. Yes - in theory you wouldn't need them there ( because nobody would buy they happened to be at the same farm and started following ) while hunts used to chop and change advertised venues depending on requests, I doubt they'd do it these days. ( for just trail hunting)

@namechangeGOT She doesn’t give a fuck. To the nth degree

They're hunting foxes and hares yes. The police don't bother turning up to calls, hence sab groups do the police work for them

F you.
Where did I say I supported fox hunting?

My recollection is that the hounds were being sprayed and the huntsman wasn't very impressed.

Nor would I be, if an unknown person was spraying an unknown substance on or around my dogs when I was on land where I had permission to be, engaged in a legal pursuit, and they were trespassing at a distance from the nearest footpath.

I’ve been a member of our local Drag (or trail, if you want) Hunt. The jumps are all built prior and the routes are set, and we have a runner who lays the scent before we set off. It means there are also non-jumping routes for those who don’t want to. It’s all done on private land by prior arrangement, with some roadwork in between. The hounds setting off after a fox would kind of miss the point of the route being set prior to. In all my years of going, I’ve never seen it happen.

However, having come face to face with the Sabs, I’d say the last thing they are doing is “police work”. Whilst a small few are genuinely there concerned about animal welfare (which is odd given it is a drag hunt, but whatever), the majority are thugs looking for an excuse for a fight. They are violent, aggressive, think nothing of behaving abhorrently in front of children and constantly tresspass on land “monitoring” us. I doubt many of them are donating their pennies to local wildlife sanctuaries 🥱 and they certainly don’t give a shiny shit about the welfare of the horses we are on, or the dogs we are running.

I do not agree with fox hunting- especially when there is a perfectly acceptable alternative. The argument of keeping the fox population down also doesn’t wash, as there are much more humane ways of doing as such. However, if you think all sabs are present for altruistic reasons then you are very much mistaken.

I have sabbedin the past before I got too ill to sab. The hunts I’ve sabbed are 100% hunting foxes. In fact the master of my local hunt was found guilty of fox hunting in court only last month…..due to footage provided by sabs.

maybe there are some hunts actually scent hunting and if so I’m sorry the illegal hunts are giving them a bad name.

but I have seen so much footage of fox hunting as well as seen it with my own eyes. It’s hard to get a conviction though because even if there is footage of hounds chasing a fox the hunt will claim (and police take their word for it) it was a dreadful accident and they stumbled across a fox while legally hunting and tried to call the hounds off. Which is exactly what they tried to argue in court last month even though it was obvious from the footage he was encouraging the hounds and a hunting expert stood up in court and said so.

why is it’s all legal scent/trail hunting do they spend ages surrounding a perimeter of a small copse of woodland? And send the hounds in (trying to flush a fox out)

Why do they have terrier men on quad bikes with terriers in boxes and shovels? They’re digging the foxes out!

Why have there been at least two cases near me of hounds killed on major roads (inc the A1) as the whole pack has streamed across it. Would the h7nt really lay a trail across the A1? Seems a bit reckless 🤷‍♀️

I have seen a lot of footage of hunt members attacking sabs, indeed there have been criminal convictions for this. Some of the footage is shocking inc people purposefully riding their horses at sabs.

the noxious spray is harmless citronella and is sprayed on the ground and air to mask the scent of the fox. Never seen it sprayed on a hound but it wouldn’t do any harm even if accidentally happened. I’ve seen huntsmen whipping and kicking hounds. I’ve seen sabs pull hounds off the road to save them, I’ve seen sabs help pull horses out of ditches and help the rider up too.

As for permission…..the hunt often doesn’t have permission and they don’t care. I’ve seen some angry farmers round here pissed off with the hunt.

and btw not only am I a born and bred country woman (aka not a townie), I also used to hunt with the South Pembs hunt as a teen. And my first boss was actually the master of the hunt (I used to be a groom). Gamekeeper turned poacher I guess.

Right. But funnily enough I can find lots of footage of hunt followers attacking sabs. Strange that.

and btw I used to keep chickens, I had all six of mine taken by a fox a few years ago. Still don’t support hunting foxes.

FYI 5 male sabs were convicted of punching a 15 yr old girl. As 1 example

So as the excuses for killing a fox are the hounds made a mistake
Then banning hunting with hounds completely is the only answer

That should sort it.
Makes it much easier to prosecute as well with the first site of a hound

That’s really bad and no excuse for it. Can you please link, I just googled and can’t find. I’d like to know which sabs organisation it was as I’d want nothing to do with them.

That is terrible of course ( although basically very very rare ) but if they weren’t killing foxes and hunting illegally of course the protestors wouldn’t need to be there.

Wonder how many murdering hunters have been convicted. Weird how they always get off isn’t it, with their lies.

The hunt is done for in this country. Let’s face it.
I don’t agree with many of Labours policies but thank god they have a bit of empathy for wildlife.

Yes. This guy claimed blowing the horn was to call the hounds off when everyone knows the sound is to encourage the hounds. Thankfully the courts saw through it. Sadly hasn’t stopped him, he was still out hunting last week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93q8nzevyvo