Page 6 | Trail Hunting or Fox Hunting?

wantmorenow · 2025-01-01T09:28:14+00:00

Just read a random pop up post in Facebook about hunting with hounds in the UK which I naively thought had been banned. I am shocked and quite amazed at my own ignorance. I genuinely didn't realise this still goes on and despite the law banning hunting. There is footage of the fox being pursued and the data shared is an eye opener.

Tara336 · 01/01/2025 16:04

Pat888 · 01/01/2025 14:11

Since the fox hunting ban the numbers of foxes has plummeted -farmers shoot them and if you’re naive enough to think they are killed humanely by a marksman than you are a mug.
I see lads out at night with spotlights on their vehicles hunting down foxes ,often before the spring lambing, trained marksman they ain’t.
There’s a handful of hound packs who trail hunt -leave them alone and find something else to complain about -as I said there are few foxes now thanks to do gooders banning hunting.

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Do gooders? Or animal lovers whi live in the 21st century and realise that hunting belongs in the past along with bear baiting, cock fighting etc I'm sure there were those at the time that thought "do gooders" were wrong to ask for cruel "sports" like that to be banned and yet here we are looking back on it and recognising it for what it was, barbaric

Meltedwelly · 01/01/2025 16:05

Hope the sabotuers keep on messing up these wankers pasttime.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:21

derxa · 01/01/2025 15:39

Lambs don’t get their heads chewed off in an abattoir. I don’t support hunting and have never hunted. In fact I’ve never seen a hunt despite growing up on a farm.

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So let’s stop breeding lambs
Then foxes won’t hunt them and they won’t be terrified and murdered by humans in an abattoir.
You forget
We are humans. We don’t need to cruelly murder including in some so called sport.
Foxes, in case you weren’t aware, are wild animals that can’t grow their own food.

You’re very lucky you’ve never seen a hunt !

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:22

Meltedwelly · 01/01/2025 16:05

Hope the sabotuers keep on messing up these wankers pasttime.

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Absolutely!!!

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:25

greyskyoverthere · 01/01/2025 15:08

This is it. There is a loophole that a couple of hounds can be used to hunt a wild animal. Deer are still hunted like this with huntsmen on horses following.

Hunts can also claim that hounds on a trail hunt were 'rioting' and the huntsmen and whipper ins were trying to get them back under control. And therefore avoid prosecution.

It is also an activity which takes place 'privately' in that the only people normally observing it are supporters of the Hunt. It is therefore very easy for hunters to openly hunt without fear of prosecution.

I have been caught in Hunt traffic where the hunt were openly sending hounds into a wooded copse to search for a scent. The only reason to do this is if they were trying to find the scent of a fox.

In short it was a badly drafted law which has effectively enabled hunting with hounds to continue.

it would be a shame if all trail hunting were banned as trail hunting was a legitimate sport in its own right even when hunting wild animals was legal. There are bloodhound packs which follow the scent of a human runner, for example.

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Labour said they would ban all trail hunting. So it looks like even legitimate trail hunts will suffer the consequences of those that have acted illegally for the past 20years

Damnloginpopup · 01/01/2025 16:26

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 15:27

Exactly !

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It's such a difficult question apparently 🤔

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:32

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 15:33

Wow: why did you hunt? What was it that made you gain pleasure from killing animals needlessly? Did you enjoy seeing ripped apart animals. Are you normal? What are you doing to rid the rural communities of the scum that pretend to hunt legally but don't?

Why is it up to me to rid local community of people who illegally hunt?

I started hunting as a child because that's what you did and my parents took me. As I grew up I realised I didn't like the barbarian of catching a fox. So I moves to blood hounds where you follow a runner and I can guarantee 0 foxes were hunted/caught/dug out. Clean boot packs only.

Have you tried accessing the countryside on horseback? Over 50% of local bridleways near me have been built over.

I will say again, I do not support fox hunting. I do support legal and law abiding trail hunting.

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Stables have lots of routes set out that riders can follow in a hack.
You don’t need to be on a hunt for a good ride with others.

I ride myself both here in Kent and regularly in the Stamford / Peterborough area.
Louds of places to go including good jumps.
In fact we holiday every year at Landmark Trust properties and have never found it hard to find lots of places to ride all over GB.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:37

BloodyHellBob · 01/01/2025 15:28

I'm actually horrified to read that fox hunting is still legal in Northern Ireland where I live! I feel a strong email to my MP might be in order.

You’re not alone
According to attached article half of people in Northern Ireland aren’t aware hunting with dogs isn’t banned
See the article attached on what they do to deer as well.

👏👏 to contacting your MP

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 16:38

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:32

Stables have lots of routes set out that riders can follow in a hack.
You don’t need to be on a hunt for a good ride with others.

I ride myself both here in Kent and regularly in the Stamford / Peterborough area.
Louds of places to go including good jumps.
In fact we holiday every year at Landmark Trust properties and have never found it hard to find lots of places to ride all over GB.

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"Stables have lots of routes set out that riders can follow in a hack" simply not true in many parts of the country.
50% of our local bridleway network has been removed by being built on. We no longer have a joined up network of bridleways, they are all dead ends.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:39

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 16:38

"Stables have lots of routes set out that riders can follow in a hack" simply not true in many parts of the country.
50% of our local bridleway network has been removed by being built on. We no longer have a joined up network of bridleways, they are all dead ends.

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Like I say.
Not in my experience and we holiday all over GB.

of note a bridleway is a public highway and illegal to block.

BurntBroccoli · 01/01/2025 16:47

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 01/01/2025 15:29

Have you ever seen a hen house after the fox has got in, OP?

There are fox proof fences available. Just need to spend time and money to install.
If hens are killed, it's entirely the keeper's fault, not the fox.

BurntBroccoli · 01/01/2025 16:52

DuckDuckG00se · 01/01/2025 15:48

On the subject of countryside access, footpaths & bridleways, I urge everyone to get involved in and support the efforts to record & register our footpaths & bridleways so we don't lose them.

The gov recently scrapped the deadline to so this which us great news but means efforts could lose momentum a bit (latest news here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy89yddgg7yo )

Registering paths and bridleways protects them from developers & enclosure. Many also get forgotten through lack of use and once gone, they're gone.

Yes. Very important!

Look at old maps to find lost paths. There is free access here at the National Library of Scotland:

maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=5.0&lat=56.00000&lon=-4.00000&layers=6&b=ESRIWorld&o=100

DuckDuckG00se · 01/01/2025 16:54

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:39

Like I say.
Not in my experience and we holiday all over GB.

of note a bridleway is a public highway and illegal to block.

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Tbf, it might be illegal but a lot of our bridleways and rights of way are being lost every year, development is one way this happens.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 17:00

DuckDuckG00se · 01/01/2025 16:54

Tbf, it might be illegal but a lot of our bridleways and rights of way are being lost every year, development is one way this happens.

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As an architect I’ve constantly got my nose in every planning application going on in Kent and Medway.
If there’s a public right of way on a developement site thats conveniently been forgotten about by developers I’m on it.
Our local planners however seem to be very clued up anyway. They check every application.

Developers as such must apply to re route the right of way but prove it can’t be kept exactly as it is first. An application btw doesn’t mean approval is forthcoming.

I know they try and get away with it and Labour now taking decisions away from locals will make this matter difficult to highlight.

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 17:03

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 16:39

Like I say.
Not in my experience and we holiday all over GB.

of note a bridleway is a public highway and illegal to block.

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Yet that doesn't stop it happening.
In my experience, in my area, there are very few bridleways and none that link up.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 17:06

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 17:03

Yet that doesn't stop it happening.
In my experience, in my area, there are very few bridleways and none that link up.

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Surely if someone’s blocked a public highway you must report it.
Don't let that be forgotten. The next generation will have no idea it ever existed.

There are maps with all highways noted. There’s a survey on to locate them. If they’re lost they need to be reinstated.
Just report.
It’s illegal to block a public highway

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 17:10

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 17:06

Surely if someone’s blocked a public highway you must report it.
Don't let that be forgotten. The next generation will have no idea it ever existed.

There are maps with all highways noted. There’s a survey on to locate them. If they’re lost they need to be reinstated.
Just report.
It’s illegal to block a public highway

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We do. Nothing happens
The bigger issue is land with bridleways on being sold off for housing estates, that's a much bigger problem.
We have zero off road riding within hacking distance now so have to box everywhere or brave fast A roads

BurntBroccoli · 01/01/2025 17:16

The definitive map is a record of all public rights of way in existence. Go to your council's website as they are now often online.

Some public rights of way were missed off by Parish Councils during the survey in the 1950s as they were deemed 'not in use' (or a landowner happened to be on the parish council!). That will be why they don't link up but often they are shown on old maps, especially the late 1800s edition.

Once a highway, always a highway! A PROW is actually a highway whether it be a footpath, bridleway or BOAT.

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 17:19

BurntBroccoli · 01/01/2025 17:16

The definitive map is a record of all public rights of way in existence. Go to your council's website as they are now often online.

Some public rights of way were missed off by Parish Councils during the survey in the 1950s as they were deemed 'not in use' (or a landowner happened to be on the parish council!). That will be why they don't link up but often they are shown on old maps, especially the late 1800s edition.

Once a highway, always a highway! A PROW is actually a highway whether it be a footpath, bridleway or BOAT.

Thanks I already know all this, my friend is a BHS Access Officer

EdithStourton · 01/01/2025 17:19

@greyskyoverthere
They absolutely never spray things at hounds.
I've seen video of them doing it, Unfortunately the FB search algorithm is so crap that despite looking on the page where I'm sure I saw it, I can't find it.

Trudij123 · 01/01/2025 17:23

Someone was asking about the terrier men earlier - this is the official wording for why you'd have them there and why you'd have one underground to flush.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 17:24

twistyizzy · 01/01/2025 17:10

We do. Nothing happens
The bigger issue is land with bridleways on being sold off for housing estates, that's a much bigger problem.
We have zero off road riding within hacking distance now so have to box everywhere or brave fast A roads

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It really can’t be a case of nothing happens
Its illegal

You need to contact the relevant authorities at the local council
Then you need to follow through on any planning applications ( as far as Labour will allow now )
Then look at the applications to ensure the bridleways are retained or an application to reroute them is made. All reroutes must still link with the original journey points and be justifiable.

Id love to see these estates that have ignored all bridleways. I’d like to see the planners justification for blocking and / or removing them.
I get landowners do this on their own with locked gates ( again that’s illegal ) but to completely remove a bridleway and for that to be approved….by the planners…..I’d love to read their reports on that!

I think what is happening, however, is that many stables used land that didn’t have a legal right of way because the landowners gave them access anyway. (my property had this ) That land is now being sold and it’s lost to those riders by new owners ( or developers ) that no longer allow that access.
Again, we’ve done that to stop the hunt.

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 17:26

BurntBroccoli · 01/01/2025 17:16

The definitive map is a record of all public rights of way in existence. Go to your council's website as they are now often online.

Some public rights of way were missed off by Parish Councils during the survey in the 1950s as they were deemed 'not in use' (or a landowner happened to be on the parish council!). That will be why they don't link up but often they are shown on old maps, especially the late 1800s edition.

Once a highway, always a highway! A PROW is actually a highway whether it be a footpath, bridleway or BOAT.

Exactly !

Stirabout · 01/01/2025 17:29

Trudij123 · 01/01/2025 17:23

Someone was asking about the terrier men earlier - this is the official wording for why you'd have them there and why you'd have one underground to flush.

The images up thread of the terriers were taken by sabs at a hunt.
Nothing to do with this
I think @Damnloginpopup s question still stands

Trudij123 · 01/01/2025 17:32

She asked why terrier men are at a hunt. I provided the reason they are allowed there and that they aren't necessarily acting illegally, even if many people don't find it palatable. How does this not answer the question?