Seeing that Repulsive Nigel Farage everywhere now

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I don’t like any of them. I’m politically hornless but seeing this turd getting more and more popular would actually make me leave the country.

How would Farage be better, which policies do you like?

Over 4 million people voted for Reform. Instead of trying to understand their concerns let's take the easy way out and call them names.

Reforms plans are f*cked.

Thick people who don't read the small print and who aren't interested in what health and education research has to say about the possible unintended social consequences of a vastly expanded private education and healthcare system think it sounds great. Everyone else thinks it's dangerous populist bollocks.

A few of us are trying to find out their concerns by asking which policies they like

Shouldn't be a difficult question but we haven't been given an answer yet

Once again 'thick people'.

I understand their concerns.

They're my concerns also.

But as I'm not attracted to fascism and xenophobia, I don't look to people like Fartage for solutions to the enormous problems caused by the impact of a decade of austerity on public services, and decades of failed housing policy caused by politicians of all parties being held over a barrel by a generation of older NIMBY home owners.

People who turn to xenophobes, millionaires and crony capitalists for answers to the problems caused by the policies of xenophobes, millionaires and crony capitalists are thick.

Happy to call it.

@LutherVandrossessuit So what is it about farage and his ltd company that attracts intelligent thinkers, if you're saying they're not thick

He recently had a "conference" in our local hotel and his supporters were local SFL thugs. Didn't see much intelligent thought and plenty of thick Neds, but clearly you're seeing something different

You’re ok with the Reform proposal of the UK leaving the European Convention on Human Rights?

We need to get the mainstream parties interested in our concerns then surely?
Why are they so woeful at the moment? Rayner isn't going to sort the housing issues out and public services aren't going to improve anytime soon under Labour. Instead of hurling insults at Reform voters, we need to get better quality politician's representing us. Labour are dreadful, Tories in disarray, Lib Dems unelectable. We need better mainstream parties.

The Farage riots did help reform. The prison sentences handed out were beyond ridiculous. They gave rise to the term two tier Keir which he will NEVER lose. They encouraged people to believe the judiciary is on the side of the establishment, not helped by the lies told about the assailant being a Welsh Christian not known to Prevent. And the fact the trial starts on Trumps inauguration day. That man who died in prison is now a martyr. Anyone who visits Tommy Robinson in prison has to sign a non disclosure agreement as he is deemed so dangerous to government that he cannot be heard even second hand.
So it does seem that the powers that be are running scared. And yes many many white working class people despise the government for shutting down their grievances and saying they are thick or racist. The right wing are gaining power throughout Europe for exactly the same reasons.

I really don’t get the push back against net zero. Putting aside all the environmental arguments it’s eminently sensible for us, as in the UK, to reduce our dependency on fuel that is depleting at pace and largely only available from hostile states.

so many people partied at the promise of ‘sovereignty’ for Brexit, but get their hackles raised at the suggestion that changing some habits and expectations would free us from subservience to nations we’d rather not think to deeply about.

It'll be an absolutely huge shit hole then . . .

@Luminousalumnus i think the riots only entrenched the favour of people who were already entrenched. I don’t think it won any new blood, although I will concede that it might get people out to the polls who wouldn’t have bothered before.

’two tier kier’ hasn’t really struck a chord with anyone with any sense or understanding of crowd control.

Actually @LutherVandrossessuit I've just read your posts about the appalling riots and I don't think you'll be able to debate or argue anything

The rioters deserved everything they got. And if you think some racist old criminal who wheezed his last in jail is "martyr" then you've just proved posters' point about being thick

Fucking hell

Can you link my posts about the riots? I think you'll find I didn't make any?

This explains a lot

I’ll give it you that politics is short on inspiration but ‘listening to the public’ has been hijacked by the tabloid media. They’ve not moved on from the days when they told us how to think, why should they it still works so well. Certainly works in Farages favour.

whats needed is realism from or politicians and there are plenty that do it. The state of the country, the world, isn’t conducive to what the voting population feel is their birthright. That’s just how it is and the sooner people get their heads around that the better. There is no land of milk and honey no matter what garage and Tice are bleating on about. We’re in a world of depleting and changing resources, it’s only the shysters telling the lie they’ll make sure you get yours with no change whatsoever to your life - in fact they have the power to turn the clocks back seventy years. People are scared - but fear breeds stupidity and those old goats are taking full advantage.

You didn't. My apologies

It should have @Luminousalumnus

Sorry.

I know a guy who is staunchly supporting Reform. Very high IQ, privately educated, but very much on the bottom rung, MH problems, so homelessness problems throughout his 20s, (contributing to physical ill health, no addiction) and probably ASD. Now late 30s, He gets no help, nothing, he's got nowhere to have his kids, currently living in a HMO. He works but struggles to maintain good health to improve his situation. He doesn't feel the main parties are interested in helping him. He's behind refugees/ immigrants in their importance. I can see why he has the view, even if I don't think Reform have the answer.

Totally agree. But we need leaders who can inspire. We need politicians with courage. Give me a Jack Straw, Robin Cook or Mo Mowlam any day over the likes of Starmer, Reeves and Nandy.

Farage, Tice et al are privately educated Man of the people

Many people voted in the last general election believing the result to be a foregone conclusion, so voting for Reform as a protest was in a sense a free vote.

By 2029 many of this year's tax changes will have been forgotten, and if the economy is getting better by then, and the Tories are at least beginning to have some vague credibility, then Reform will do no better than in 2024.

@DuncinToffee maybe have a look on their website and see the policies for yourself.

I like all of them. I am not going to type them all out.

I agree that inspiring politicians in the UK are a rare if not endangered species. It is a choice between abysmal and just about on the side of adequate. Remember we had until this year had a period of time that included Dominic Raab, Liz Truss and Chris Grayling as ministers.