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Seeing that Repulsive Nigel Farage everywhere now

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stonejam · 28/12/2024 16:03

I don’t like any of them. I’m politically hornless but seeing this turd getting more and more popular would actually make me leave the country.

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SkankingWombat · 29/12/2024 10:29

Purplevelvetshoes · 28/12/2024 23:35

’Quality education’ often means left leaning politics because that’s how it’s always been - even more so in today’s climate. You’re uneducated if you don’t agree with left leaning politics - that’s what you mean. Unis & schools are rife with left leaning political agendas.

None uni educated people are clever too - working class people see what’s going on around them, what’s working for society, what isn’t, injustice. Are you saying police, electricians, plumbers, service suppliers ect.. are thick?

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For me, the starting point of 'quality education' would equate to ensuring every child leaves school having achieved a competent level of reading - is that left-leaning? Currently the average reading age of adults in the UK is 9 years old, which isn't even high enough to understand an NHS pamphlet your doctor might hand you. A large proportion of our population is functionally illiterate. If you can't read properly, how are you supposed to access information to make an informed choice on anything?

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 10:35

@PandoraSox

"Yes I am aware of the 90 day rule. But as Farage is an MP now, he supposedly spends all of Mon-Thurs in Westminster and Friday in his constituency."

He is supposed to spend his parliamentary time in Westminster and Friday in his constituency but doesn't because he prioritises his grand plan for Reform and his own personal ambitions to ver doing the job he was elected to do.

Now he is not alone in this and there are plenty of other crap MPs also not doing their job.

But the key point is that there are loads of areas and issues on which Farage can be challenged.

It doesn't need posters making up fake news that he is living in Brussels or heaven forbid that he has a French girlfriend. All this does is discredit what could instead be an evidence based argument against him.

rewilded · 29/12/2024 10:36

Parker231 · 29/12/2024 10:26

There’s nothing stopping British citizens opening businesses in their local towns.

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GaleGirl · 29/12/2024 10:37

@Parker231 There’s nothing stopping British citizens opening businesses in their local towns.

Spectacularly missing the point that many are operating on money laundering and other illicit trades, see @rewilded 's list, I add loan sharks and letting low quality overcrowded homes. Even those who operate legally are skimping on maintenance to send money away. So they are reducing old but sturdy homes to slums.

Parker231 · 29/12/2024 10:39

GaleGirl · 29/12/2024 10:37

@Parker231 There’s nothing stopping British citizens opening businesses in their local towns.

Spectacularly missing the point that many are operating on money laundering and other illicit trades, see @rewilded 's list, I add loan sharks and letting low quality overcrowded homes. Even those who operate legally are skimping on maintenance to send money away. So they are reducing old but sturdy homes to slums.

Have you reported them to your local council?

Abbyk1980 · 29/12/2024 10:40

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 10:35

@PandoraSox

"Yes I am aware of the 90 day rule. But as Farage is an MP now, he supposedly spends all of Mon-Thurs in Westminster and Friday in his constituency."

He is supposed to spend his parliamentary time in Westminster and Friday in his constituency but doesn't because he prioritises his grand plan for Reform and his own personal ambitions to ver doing the job he was elected to do.

Now he is not alone in this and there are plenty of other crap MPs also not doing their job.

But the key point is that there are loads of areas and issues on which Farage can be challenged.

It doesn't need posters making up fake news that he is living in Brussels or heaven forbid that he has a French girlfriend. All this does is discredit what could instead be an evidence based argument against him.

He’s hardly been to his own constituency that’s why led by donkeys did their thing in clacton he spent more time in bloody America he doesn’t give a shit about the people that’s what people don’t understand. They’re getting taken for a ride that follow him.

MsJinks · 29/12/2024 10:41

Farage cares for Farage, he is an expert agitator and utilises this skill to make money (and maybe a bit of 'fame') for himself. I do think he is a bit of a racist, but equally think he has few, if any, values he wouldn't sell out on, so he'd use immigration for his profile and to rabble rouse, whether personally racist or not and whether personally concerned re levels of migration or not.
He has an EU passport so we don't have to worry about his relationship being difficult, though I think we should worry why he sees it useful to have one whilst most British citizens don't after Brexit.
His immigration proposals can't work- it is not the ECHR stopping returns, we have U.K. case law around asylum stating asylum seekers can go to any country where they feel safe for starters, and that's one point. We also have international obligations. You also can't return people to France unless they are French - you can't return stateless people, you can't return people to a country unless you can prove to that country they are citizens there. Many more issues with 'returns' that are not recognised fully.
Work and study migration can't be switched off without huge damage to our economy.
This week Farage has been clear on his admiration for Musk. Musk has also been clear about his belief in importing cheap labour. How does that all fit together I wonder.
Then there are the rest of his policies - I think they could well reduce NHS lists - by privatisation and he has been clear on this before - he needs his US payday when US insurers get their hands on 60million new customers- make no mistake what system he really wants.
Welfare would be stopped for Reform preferences- I'm not sure if this could/would happen but pretty sure not many voters would actually like it.
I'm not totally sure he'd want the post of PM as it would involve work he can't avoid, sure he'd like the symbol of it but his aim is to collect as much cash as possible.
There is definitely a rise in right wing thinking, it's quite driven by 'important' and 'rich' folk/companies IMO to make more cash. Immigration is a key topic that riles people- whatever the rights/wrongs of it all it's not going to stop, it will increase with a changing climate. I personally think this should be looked at globally but that's never going to happen. Instead the suffering and struggles of everyday folk can be focussed on fighting with other everyday folk and ensuring every folk ignores what the powerful and rich folk are doing.
That's obviously just my opinion but I'm concerned and sad for my grandchildren's future and that of their generation and beyond.

Abbyk1980 · 29/12/2024 10:42

In America right now because Elon Musk has funded Trump Trump has changed his mind and it’s literally pissing off the Maga lot because now he’s saying just like Elon Musk that America needs immigrants to work which I agree with but they didn’t agree with. Anyway the fact remains that whatever reform is telling the people the truth is businesses need immigrants which is why Elon Musk who supposedly is going to be funding reform will be telling them too and the point is all these stupid people who think if they vote for them it means they’re going to be shipping people off will have another thing coming.

Abbyk1980 · 29/12/2024 10:43

MsJinks · 29/12/2024 10:41

Farage cares for Farage, he is an expert agitator and utilises this skill to make money (and maybe a bit of 'fame') for himself. I do think he is a bit of a racist, but equally think he has few, if any, values he wouldn't sell out on, so he'd use immigration for his profile and to rabble rouse, whether personally racist or not and whether personally concerned re levels of migration or not.
He has an EU passport so we don't have to worry about his relationship being difficult, though I think we should worry why he sees it useful to have one whilst most British citizens don't after Brexit.
His immigration proposals can't work- it is not the ECHR stopping returns, we have U.K. case law around asylum stating asylum seekers can go to any country where they feel safe for starters, and that's one point. We also have international obligations. You also can't return people to France unless they are French - you can't return stateless people, you can't return people to a country unless you can prove to that country they are citizens there. Many more issues with 'returns' that are not recognised fully.
Work and study migration can't be switched off without huge damage to our economy.
This week Farage has been clear on his admiration for Musk. Musk has also been clear about his belief in importing cheap labour. How does that all fit together I wonder.
Then there are the rest of his policies - I think they could well reduce NHS lists - by privatisation and he has been clear on this before - he needs his US payday when US insurers get their hands on 60million new customers- make no mistake what system he really wants.
Welfare would be stopped for Reform preferences- I'm not sure if this could/would happen but pretty sure not many voters would actually like it.
I'm not totally sure he'd want the post of PM as it would involve work he can't avoid, sure he'd like the symbol of it but his aim is to collect as much cash as possible.
There is definitely a rise in right wing thinking, it's quite driven by 'important' and 'rich' folk/companies IMO to make more cash. Immigration is a key topic that riles people- whatever the rights/wrongs of it all it's not going to stop, it will increase with a changing climate. I personally think this should be looked at globally but that's never going to happen. Instead the suffering and struggles of everyday folk can be focussed on fighting with other everyday folk and ensuring every folk ignores what the powerful and rich folk are doing.
That's obviously just my opinion but I'm concerned and sad for my grandchildren's future and that of their generation and beyond.

Absolutely, which is why apparently Donald Trump has changed his mind since 2016 because he’s now under the thumb of Elon Musk and the headbanger that have been supporting Donald Trump think he’s got more in line with the massive businessmen like Elon Musk which we all knew was true anyway it’s just that they didn’t realise they’re getting lied to the factory remains that if you want businesses in this country to run you need labour as in people and that is where reform are gonna change their tune to

rewilded · 29/12/2024 10:44

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 10:29

People are getting desperate for Britain to be British again

Can you explain what you mean by this?

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OK I will explain in plain English. I went back to a city my family were brought up in over Christmas. I felt like I was in a different country and people barely spoke any English or chose not to...the streets were strewn with rubbish and there was a profliferation of shops that are fronts for things that are not in UK's best interest.

There were metal/concrete bollards on every entrance. This is not being racist. This is observing how things are now. It is not fair and people are sick of it. What will it like in 5 -10 years time?

I will not visit this city again.

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 10:45

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 10:35

@PandoraSox

"Yes I am aware of the 90 day rule. But as Farage is an MP now, he supposedly spends all of Mon-Thurs in Westminster and Friday in his constituency."

He is supposed to spend his parliamentary time in Westminster and Friday in his constituency but doesn't because he prioritises his grand plan for Reform and his own personal ambitions to ver doing the job he was elected to do.

Now he is not alone in this and there are plenty of other crap MPs also not doing their job.

But the key point is that there are loads of areas and issues on which Farage can be challenged.

It doesn't need posters making up fake news that he is living in Brussels or heaven forbid that he has a French girlfriend. All this does is discredit what could instead be an evidence based argument against him.

It isn't fake news about his partner! She is French.

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 10:45

rewilded · 29/12/2024 10:44

OK I will explain in plain English. I went back to a city my family were brought up in over Christmas. I felt like I was in a different country and people barely spoke any English or chose not to...the streets were strewn with rubbish and there was a profliferation of shops that are fronts for things that are not in UK's best interest.

There were metal/concrete bollards on every entrance. This is not being racist. This is observing how things are now. It is not fair and people are sick of it. What will it like in 5 -10 years time?

I will not visit this city again.

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Which city is this?

GaleGirl · 29/12/2024 10:46

@Parker231 The councils and police know about most already but lack time and other resources to investigate and prosecute except in the very worst cases.
Have you not noticed that many migrants now work in Council offices. Most are honest but there are cases of collusion. I know of one case where the manager was allowed to quietly resign after agreeing a very dubious contract.
Heard about that happening before?

LauraNorda · 29/12/2024 10:51

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 09:56

Yes Reform UK PLC certainly has quality members, doesn't it? 20% of its MPs are convicted criminals.

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You're desperate, aren't you? James McMurdock spent 1 week in a young offenders institute 20 years ago.

What about David Chaytor (Lab), Fiona Onasanya (Lab), Chris Huhne (Lib Dem), Jonathan Aitken (Con), 'Lord' Archer (Con), 'Baron' Ahmed (Lab), Keith Best (Con), Peter Hain (Lab), Margaret Moran (Lab).

Every party has wrong'uns.

CandlesOrangesRedribbon · 29/12/2024 10:51

@Parker231 I had to report over crowding and suspiciously run house to council.
. Have you? Do you think you make a report or call and that triggers a rigours investigation?

It was months and months of endless stress and anti social problems and issues.
Probably took at least 2 years for them to finally hold the landlord to account.

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 10:54

@Parker231

"There’s nothing stopping British citizens opening businesses in their local towns."

I'm confused- are you really suggesting that rather than complaining about "foreign owned" money laundering cash in hand businesses being set up in the high street that British citizens should be setting up the illegal high street cash in hand money laundering businesses instead???

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 10:55

LauraNorda · 29/12/2024 10:51

You're desperate, aren't you? James McMurdock spent 1 week in a young offenders institute 20 years ago.

What about David Chaytor (Lab), Fiona Onasanya (Lab), Chris Huhne (Lib Dem), Jonathan Aitken (Con), 'Lord' Archer (Con), 'Baron' Ahmed (Lab), Keith Best (Con), Peter Hain (Lab), Margaret Moran (Lab).

Every party has wrong'uns.

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He should have got far longer. But yes, I was being a bit tongue in cheek as of course every party has its criminals. But 1 in 5 is quite a high ratio😁.

ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 29/12/2024 10:56

dynamiccactus · 28/12/2024 17:05

Farage cares about Farage and nobody else.

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Farage cares about
Trump and Farage and nobody else.

These are scary times.

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 10:58

ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 29/12/2024 10:56

Farage cares about
Trump and Farage and nobody else.

These are scary times.

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Farage also mistakenly thinks Trump cares about him.

LauraNorda · 29/12/2024 10:58

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 10:55

He should have got far longer. But yes, I was being a bit tongue in cheek as of course every party has its criminals. But 1 in 5 is quite a high ratio😁.

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But even you can understand that they only have 5 MP's. If the number of MP's reflected the number of votes they received, the ration would be far lower.

Parker231 · 29/12/2024 10:59

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 10:54

@Parker231

"There’s nothing stopping British citizens opening businesses in their local towns."

I'm confused- are you really suggesting that rather than complaining about "foreign owned" money laundering cash in hand businesses being set up in the high street that British citizens should be setting up the illegal high street cash in hand money laundering businesses instead???

I never mentioned illegal

PandoraSox · 29/12/2024 11:04

LauraNorda · 29/12/2024 10:58

But even you can understand that they only have 5 MP's. If the number of MP's reflected the number of votes they received, the ration would be far lower.

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Oof, that is some tortured reasoning! We don't know if the ratio would be lower in this mythical scenario. Reform UK PLC does attract some rogues to stand as MPs, as we saw earlier this year.

https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uk-drops-three-candidates-as-racism-row-constinues-to-engulf-party-13160889

Reform UK drops three candidates as racism row continues to engulf party

Nigel Farage has been told to "get a grip" on his party as accusations of racism from his candidates continue to grow.

https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uk-drops-three-candidates-as-racism-row-constinues-to-engulf-party-13160889

Vignoble · 29/12/2024 11:06

Fullfatandfortyplus · 28/12/2024 23:49

Agree

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Also agreed here. You may know what I know, or something similar.

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 11:10

@Parker231

"I never mentioned illegal"

Please please tell me that you honestly didn't believe that the growth of cash in hand high street businesses (nail bars, barbers that remain empty, vape stores etc) had nothing to do with the growth in county lines drug sales and subsequent money laundering.

rewilded · 29/12/2024 11:16

1dayatatime · 29/12/2024 11:10

@Parker231

"I never mentioned illegal"

Please please tell me that you honestly didn't believe that the growth of cash in hand high street businesses (nail bars, barbers that remain empty, vape stores etc) had nothing to do with the growth in county lines drug sales and subsequent money laundering.

People are now taking matters into their own hands and noting footfall at these premises and demanding that they are closed down.

I went in one by accident to get a bottle of water and there was a bed and a man asleep in it at the front of the shop. They are not even trying to disguise things now as no one is bothered.