What opinion of yours will nobody ever change?

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For me it’s how disgusting it is to wash dishes in a sink or basin full of water. It turns my stomach a bit. The dishes have to be washed in fresh, running water.

So, as an equivalent for all of the disabled people whose bodies give them only two options - drive an automatic car or be summarily unable to drive at all - would you extend that to say that, in leading their daily lives across all of the many varied and facets of life, they 'aren't really living'?

Or is it somehow only 'not real driving' when people choose it for convenience, but could drive a manual car if they wanted to?

No I blame them both. But my mum definitely enabled my dad in his crapness.

Women working isn’t a new thing though, some people talk about it like it’s only happened within the last 50 years but women worked before and during the Industrial Revolution, in fact so did children. Women thinking work is optional is the new phenomenon.

@unlikelywitch ah, makes sense.

Indeed - for working class women, the idea of "domestic duties" only really came about after WWII. And the idea of SAHM as in someone where the kids were the main focus vs the actual keeping of a home without appliances and supermarkets is more recent still. Middle class wives would most likely have had at least some help. Certainly the idea of surveys asking about who is happier is very modern! I can't imagine my GG Grandmother with 10 kids and a labourer for husband was permanently overjoyed with her lot. And "mother's little helpers" e.g. Valium etc were common in the better off circles where women were probably bored out of their minds and had few rights. I think the idea that everyone is meant to actually BE happy all the time is a premise that causes many problems. Still - at least we can discuss these things now and look for solutions.

Few things are set in stone. That includes most of my opinions.

It's a good thing to own when you have been wrong and to amend your opinions accordingly. Pig-headedness is not a virtue.

My own one is that everyone has "anxiety" these days, and in many cases it just refers to things people don't immediately like doing or are a bit uncomfortable with. I don't think it helps anyone to encourage this mindset, and avoid building some resilience and getting past things. The number of people on MN who can't open the door/answer the phone / deal with simple people issues never ceases to astound me. And I think it takes away from those who genuinely do suffer in a debilitating way who maybe miss out on opportunities for help.

Corporal punishment of any kind is never justifiable and should be illegal.

I agree

Whenever there is a paedophile or rapist convicted I briefly think they should be put against a wall and shot.

But then I almost always feel otherwise.

That celebrities talking about their mental health problems do as much harm as harm as good.

Absolutely agree. People seem to forget that anxiety is a perfectly normal emotion that everyone experiences.
It is now banded about like a “a wee bit autistic “ boils my piss.
people need to read up on diagnostic criteria and fully understand this.
Very very few people have anxiety at a level which renders them unable to work in some capacity and again people e need to understand that work in any capacity is great at maintaining good mental health.
Too many people blame poor mental health for a reason not to work.

There is no one size fits all for children. Some children are happier with a good supportive stay at home parent while other children thrive in childcare.
Gentle parenting (when done properly) is great for lots of children especially sensitive or more anxious children, but others need a more authoritarian approach.

People who say "everyone has anxiety these days", "people can't answer the door or talk on the phone", should thank their lucky stars that they have never had the daily struggle with this.

People who are devastated they're having sons are mental. Who cares what genitals your kid has ??

I agree there too, but I was more talking about children and the number of people still advocating for hitting them and differentiating smacking as if it's not the same thing.

I chuckled a bit at this. It seems like there are some people who make watching Die Hard and saying it's a Christmas film their entire personality in December. Who cares?!

Most people have to much to say about others lives.

But who cares either way? Agree with the PP who says that people have too much to say about other people's lives.

I'm just getting through my own, what others do is just fine.

Why though?

Why does someone else's lifestyle choice upset you to the point of posting about it?

You might ask yourself the same question.

Also, take note of the title of this thread.

Because I'm genuinely curious why so many people hate vegans. People can have whatever opinions they want but I'm curious where those opinions come from, particularly when they're not really affected by whatever they're so offended by.

@MyGhastIsFlabbered I read somewhere that it's because vegans are proof that there is a choice not to eat animals and some people find this confrontational. We all like to think we like animals and are kind to them but the majority of people still eat them so play a part in their harm. This makes people uncomfortable and causes cognitive dissonance (I think this is the right term) which may cause people to become defensive. It's easier to attack the person that makes us feel uncomfortable rather than look out ourselves and our own behaviour maybe

I think it's because many vegans can be preachy and sanctimonious and they're doing something you know you should be doing and don't want to.

@username299 I've only had the pleasure of meeting preachy meat eaters telling me how protein deficient I am (I'm not), how veganism is actually taking food from animals (it doesn't) , how veganism is bad for insects (it isn't) and on and on and on!

Women did work but to a much lesser extent and almost always stopped working upon marriage. Only a tenth of married women worked in the 1930s.

I actively avoid telling people I'm vegan because I can't be arsed with the questions and debate that could ensue, I just want to quietly live my life.