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Christmas market attack in Germany tonight😄 article linked

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Treetops11 · 20/12/2024 20:23

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg
I have attended many Christmas markets over the years. They are so crowded especially at the moment as German children finished school for the Christmas holidays. Frightening, my prayers are with all the victim's šŸ™

One killed and scores reportedly injured after car drives into German Christmas market – latest updates

Driver arrested after incident in Magdeburg, west of Berlin, according to media reports

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/20/germany-christmas-market-madgeburg

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Mrsbloggz · 21/12/2024 11:46

Cars and other vehicles are increasingly being used as weapons. I think we need more concrete barriers etc to exclude them from busy areas. We need more enforced pedestrianization!
And get rid of electric bikes, make people move by their own steam!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/12/2024 11:48

TeamPolin · 21/12/2024 08:21

It's everywhere, nativities being changed into winter performances with penguins & seals instead of Mary & Joseph..Winter lights instead of Christmas lights... all in the name of "inclusivity"

What absolute nonsense. Where are you getting this, the Daily Mail?

Local,school did Noah’s Ark instead if a nativity play last year, because it was more ā€˜inclusive’, and wouldn’t ā€˜offend Non Christians’ .

That’s one example I absolutely do vouch for.

cakeorwine · 21/12/2024 11:51

Treetops11 · 21/12/2024 06:59

It's everywhere, nativities being changed into winter performances with penguins & seals instead of Mary & Joseph..
Winter lights instead of Christmas lights... all in the name of "inclusivity"

Can I ask what evidence you have for this?

People use the internet to try to radicalise others to hate other groups, often based on using emotion to build hate.

It's easy to say stuff that helps divide people. Division leads to the terrible events that happened in Germany yesterday.

WillowTit · 21/12/2024 11:51

this is not anti christian - dont put two and two together

HashTagLil · 21/12/2024 12:00

I accidentally saw a clip of this on Twitter. I immediately turned away but even in that split second I could see that the car was going extremely fast. Maybe 80mph plus. No one would have had time to get out of the way.

Rosbeet · 21/12/2024 12:13

Apparently he has tweets supporting Hamas too though?

Seems he's just a nut job but whatever 'side if the coin' he falls on in relation to Islam its terrifying that he things this is a justifiable action.

Efacsen · 21/12/2024 12:17

Rosbeet · 21/12/2024 12:13

Apparently he has tweets supporting Hamas too though?

Seems he's just a nut job but whatever 'side if the coin' he falls on in relation to Islam its terrifying that he things this is a justifiable action.

Edited

Is that from twitter? thought the latest theory there is that he's a mossad agent

Need a statement from the German police

Mrsbloggz · 21/12/2024 12:26

An angry man who thinks the country that has welcomed him also all to obey him and mold itself into what he thinks it should be šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/12/2024 12:28

An angry man who thinks the country that has welcomed him also all to obey him and mold itself into what he thinks it should be šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

What is that? Credible sources are suggesting he is anti-Islam.

SantaPellegrina · 21/12/2024 12:30

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The damage is done through lives lost or destroyed, not by people's 'assumptions' when an event like this one occurs.

CamptainChewingGum · 21/12/2024 12:31

Mrsbloggz · 21/12/2024 12:26

An angry man who thinks the country that has welcomed him also all to obey him and mold itself into what he thinks it should be šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

This šŸ’Æ

That's really all.

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/12/2024 12:32

Clearly an angry man but the motive is not known at this stage.

Stickystickysticky · 21/12/2024 12:56

Whatever the reason, attacks like this seem to be on the increase, I despair at what is happening to the world.

quantumbutterfly · 21/12/2024 13:08

Another devastating attack on innocent people.
Probably a paganist angry at the co-opting of the winter solstice, oestre will be next.
(Somebody mentioned left field arguments)

Terrorism is supposed to divide and conquer, celebrate Christmas, invite your neighbours, respect the right to freedom of religious belief (except for sacrificing virgins). Go to a carol service, everyone feels better after a bit of singing, the salvos are brilliant at this, you can sing as loud as you like with a brass band in the background.

Bakedpotatoes · 21/12/2024 13:14

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/12/2024 11:48

Local,school did Noah’s Ark instead if a nativity play last year, because it was more ā€˜inclusive’, and wouldn’t ā€˜offend Non Christians’ .

That’s one example I absolutely do vouch for.

That's still a Christian story though? That makes no sense.

CinnamonClovesBrownVelvet · 21/12/2024 13:30

How does it offend people though? Why is is "offensive"??

As we know Christmas is a huge wondeful hodge podge of different traditions and festivals going back way before Christianity.

I'd love to know which group actually finds if offensive?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 21/12/2024 13:40

So, a far-right AFD-supporting Saudi Muslim Islamophobe decided to murder as many people as possible at a Christian celebration?

I'll be back in a while when I've worked that one out.

CamptainChewingGum · 21/12/2024 13:42

Bakedpotatoes · 21/12/2024 13:14

That's still a Christian story though? That makes no sense.

You must have learned in school that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all considered Abrahamic religions, which have influenced each other throughout history. They often share similar stories, figures, and values. All three religions include the story of Noah in their holy books. In these traditions, God commands Noah to build an ark to save his family and pairs of animals from a great flood sent to cleanse the Earth of wickedness. While there are variations in the details, Noah's Ark is certainly not exclusive to Christianity, it predates Christianity and is an important narrative in Judaism and Islam as well.

The guy sounds like a fruit cake. Germany was warned by Saudi Arabia about him but they ignored it.

Quite possibly he was anti Islam but he grew up and was influenced by a culture that openly hated Christians, as stated his X. Apparently there is a BBC documentary about this guy and how he helped asylum seekers to get to Europe. The optics aren't helpful and this will bring more support to AFD. German voters won't care what this attacker's belief system was, they will care that he murdered and maimed over 100 innocent people who were enjoying themselves at a Christmas market with family and friends and that he brought with him dangerous non western attitudes resulting in murdering the very people who helped him flee a regime he sought to get away from. He is one messed up and ungrateful individual.

DuncinToffee · 21/12/2024 13:47

AlecTrevelyan006 · 21/12/2024 13:40

So, a far-right AFD-supporting Saudi Muslim Islamophobe decided to murder as many people as possible at a Christian celebration?

I'll be back in a while when I've worked that one out.

ā€œAfter 25 years in this business, you think nothing could surprise you any more,ā€ wrote Peter Neumann, an expert in terrorism at King’s College, London, on X. ā€œBut a 50-year-old Saudi ex-Muslim who lives in East Germany, loves the AfD and wants to punish Germany for its tolerance towards Islamists — that really wasn’t on my radar.ā€

https://www.ft.com/content/5e2f3cd2-0a8f-4ac8-9afa-ca3d892d55f7

YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/12/2024 13:54

And this guy was a psychotherapist?

MushMonster · 21/12/2024 14:31

MrsSkylerWhite · 21/12/2024 12:32

Clearly an angry man but the motive is not known at this stage.

100% this, but add he is a doctor, a psychiatrist!
Praying for the injured and their families and those who lost loved ones in this.

MushMonster · 21/12/2024 14:34

I have just checked the Guardian, indeed, many more injured than original count. Bless them.
5 dead so far.

Thatcastlethere · 21/12/2024 14:40

He's literally just a nutcase. Pure racism trying to make this one about Islam in some way. The only evidence for his political beliefs actually point to him being anti Islam at one point, maybe even quite liberal.
This guy has obviously just had a breakdown and has gone somewhere he knew would be crowded to hurt as many people as he could. Probably more out of jealousy and bitterness at people enjoying themselves rather than a coherent political or religious motive.
Not everything is terrorism. Just because he's brown skinned...
You get men doing violent stuff all the time due to mental health issues and people don't just jump straight into the terrorism narrative without good evidence.
This thread is gross.
I feel awful for all the people who died and were injured.
Stop trying to use their deaths for whatever wierd racist points you want to make.

dcbgr · 21/12/2024 14:43

Quoting unverified twitter sources as some kind of gotcha really seems to be missing the point. Statistics show that immigrants from some countries (e.g. Pakistan, north African, middle east) are statistically much more likely to a) cost a lot of money in welfare; b) commit acts of terrorism and crime at relatively high rates; c) rape and abuse girls and women at relatively high rates. This is not the case for people from other countries (e.g. New Zealand, Denmark). People who care about terrorism, child rape, crime, council housing shortage should be allowed to analyse statistics and not abused and shouted at for saying maybe we should think a bit harder about this, as is all too often the default on this site and others.

Xag · 21/12/2024 14:59

Not everything is terrorism. Just because he's brown skinned...

Well, trying to make sense of the little that's been said so far, this appears to be an act of far-right terrorism.

The video was shared very widely on Twitter, and unfortunately I saw it without looking for it. Horrifying. Thoughts are with the dead and injured, and all those in the emergency services.

5 dead (number, sadly, is expected to rise)
41 critically injured
90 seriously injured
80 with less serious injuries

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