The 50 rapists who could be any man

[Shouldnellly]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/19/who-are-the-men-convicted-over-rape-and-assault-of-gisele-pelicot-

sickening to read of the normality of these men. From a tiny region. Everywhere

I’d hardly call them normal. Half of them had committed other previous offences and all are rapists. The majority of men are not.

The majority of the rapists were from within a 40 mile radius. And those fifty don’t include those who haven’t yet been tracked down. Or those who would have taken part if they had been aware of the opportunity or hadn’t been worried about getting caught.

So, yes, it’s depressingly “normal’, though I entirely understand why some people don’t want to admit that to themselves.

As for previous offences, in the U.K., one in three males has a criminal record, so that is hardly abnormal either.

It does make you wonder what the actual scale of male depravity is if this is an unwitting snapshot of a tiny backwater of a supposed ‘civilised’ country. Depressing. 😔

It would be inconceivable the other way round if the victim were male and perpetrators female. Much like the number of normal looking men I watched gawping at my daughter from when she was 11 onwards. Something my son has never had to put up with from women. There's some thing so wrong with so many men.

Yup, absolutely shocking how many men were willing to do that, from such a small area

Not a good statistic

Only 8 of them had committed violent offences. The others were drunk driving and drug offences, which aren't really predictive of violent tendencies.
I think the poster meant seemingly normal, that they seemed like regular guys but were really depraved monsters.
That's the problem. We don't know which ones are the monsters, so knowing most men aren't rapists doesn't make women feel any safer.

I'm so sick of hearing about the endless crimes of men. Have they always been this bad? Are they getting worse? Do we need to muzzle and neuter them, register them at the vet? So sick of it.

Yes. It does seem endless and it always seems to be men committing the worst crimes.

A real problem.

They were local. One was her next door neighbour. They were supposedly respectable soldiers, firefighters, a nurse, business owners. It just shows what women have been saying on MN for years. You cannot tell which men are the bad ones until it is too late. None of them reported him or appears to have had even a passing thought that this was wrong.

As I age, I feel more anger and hatred for men.
I watched the documentary last night ( Channel 5 I think) and one rapist was trying to claim he was also the victim as he was 'tricked' and was scared of the ex husband
It told how the husband gave orders on what to do beforehand..no aftershave, no smoking, warming hands on heater so they don't wake her...how they can say it wasn't rape is beyond me.
Sadly I don't believe anything will change. The sentences will no doubt no reflect the crime at all. They'll get a longer sentence commiting fraud that a mass rape.

I can’t get over how many degenerates were in one small area. Even DH was like it makes you wonder how most men would behave given half the chance. It’s fucking appalling, how did this get so bad.

I wish they had all got life. Some of the sentences are pathetic.

What strikes me is how many of them acted like they didn’t know it was rape, one guy was like “she’s his wife he can do what he likes with her”.

I noticed how many also had child abuse images. I do think societies glorification of pornography has a lot to do with it.

I’d like to see it as a percentage.

70 men came across the opportunity to rape, and chose to take it. In a smallish area.

Add in the ones who would have had they seen the offer, or would have had they been able to get there at night.

Amd all those who didn’t do it, but knew about it yet didn’t report…

What’s that as a percentage of adult men in the area? Clearly no need for an upper age limit.

I thought this right from when the story broke, despicable that the DH had the idea, but I was pretty amazed (probably naively) that this many other men would agree to, and go along with it.

It's a disturbing revelation that so many men can and do stuff like this if the opportunity arises.....orthe ones that chose not to, basically shrugged and deemed it OK (for others)

I would also say pornography could have a lot to do with it. I worry how much society is normalising it. So many articles about only fans in the news these days. And I think a huge amount of men are addicted. Something like a third of 16-24 year old men

I remember seeing a bit of 'Celebrity Big Brother' I think I remember who the men were but not 100% so I'm not naming.

They had a conversation where one had been alone in a room with an incapacitated woman and, "I could have done anything to her" and the other man treated him like a hero.

It was as if they deserved a medal for not being a rapist.

I wonder if anyone has said, "It's not all men" yet to Gisele? It was interesting how few men were protesting outside the court.

Men don't call other men out. I remember a 16 year old Sam Fox being all over in the 1980s. The images that were published in a national newspaper (even though it was / is a rag) are now classed as obscene images of a child.

Did any man ever complain?

What I found striking was that If you look at their histories so many of them had upbringings with violence, abuse etc. It makes me worried because we see so many examples of abuse today and that's potentially creating a new generation of people prepared to rape and do other things. How can we get authorities to intervene and break the cycle so that children have good role models and grow up with normalised views of women and relationships.

I remember all the hermione jokes that comedians used to make. I was like WTF she’s a kid. Theres an acceptance generally of sexualising children and pornification of our society. Pelicot had previously been questioned over voyuerism, I think he had been up skirting women and girls. The women around him should have been told. He was in plain sight, I don’t think anyone could have anticipated that he was as disgusting as he is but he was already on the radar.

Only women are discussing it though.. I haven’t seen a male columnist write anything about it yet and without that, we can only assume men just don’t care.

@Shouldnellly thank you for sharing the article.

This section really stood out to me:
La's wife, who is Vietnamese, told the court her mother was ill at the time and she had refused sex. She said: "I think because I refused him all the time, as a man, he had to look elsewhere."
Gisèle Pelicot, through her lawyer, said La's wife was not responsible for her husband's actions. "There is never an obligation to have sexual relations with your husband.
Do you understand that?" the lawyer said.

It’s the number of them that didn’t consider that sex with an unconscious woman meant she couldn’t give consent - one even claimed he didn’t know what consent was until someone in prison told him. They walk among us right enough.

They knew exactly what they were doing. They knew she hadn't given consent. They didn't care.

Because they can't say she's lying, or was after money, or it's her word against his. If they can't say that they don't care.