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Are you in favour of the Royal Family?

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enzomari · 12/12/2024 13:43

DM and I were discussing this last night, she's now in her Eighties and used to really like the Queen (not so much Phillip for some reason) but now really isn't bothered and thinks the RF, as is, should be abolished . I've always been a Republican but I was surprised at DM as she always seemed very pro RF but actually was pro the late Queen.

IMHO it seems so past it's sell by date but I'd be interested to know others opinions.

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YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME · 13/12/2024 11:34

No, greedy, self-serving and simply there as their ancestors were better at war, rape and pillaging than mine!

Notnecessarilynothing6532 · 13/12/2024 11:48

This RF are slimmed down, far more modest than before

How anyone can reach this conclusion I do not know!

They may be slimmed down in personnel but that’s because of illness or in Andrew’s case because of his “difficulties” .

It wasn’t a voluntary action and it didn’t come about because someone is looking seriously at the set up and took an initiative.

Charles said something about slimming down but there’s been absolutely no sign of it.

And then Anne appeared on telly and appeared to undermine what her brother had said and stated they couldn’t slim down any more than currently anyway. And the obsequious interviewer didn’t ask the obvious question about reducing the scope of their remit?

How are they more modest? I’d genuinely like to know! Because they didn’t all wear tiaras at the Coronation? Give me strength!

I had to laugh when I read that Charles had worked hard to make the Coronation seem less ostentatious! I guess he forgot about the gold coaches! 😆

The whole shebang was ridiculously over the top; particularly considering the grandeur of the late Queen’s funeral, which at least she had earned.

The trouble was, Charles only appeared to have looked backwards at his own forbears when making this decision, instead of looking around in Europe and seeing that truly modest monarchies, relatively speaking, are content with a church service and a handshake, dressed in business suits, in order to be crowned monarch. They didn’t see the need to charge their tax payers £72 million.

If they had been going to spend that much, why not wear a suit, get blessed in a dignified church ceremony at Westminster Abby, and then invest the money in a beautiful park for children in a really poor area of The Midlands and fund it’s upkeep? Coronation Park.

Or spend the money opening up part of Balmoral to the public; the Coronation walking trail?

Or establish rapid cancer diagnostic centres; one each in Scotland, England, N. Ireland and Wales: the Coronation clinics?

Someone with some drive and imagination should make some changes!

And what about all of their homes and estates? I know Charles has been ill but it’s not like he didn’t have plenty of time to prepare for his role? There doesn’t seem to have been any slimming down going on in their property portfolio?

In fact, Charles has added properties inherited from his mother and grandmother to his portfolio. And let’s not enquire too closely about the inheritance tax! And of course we don’t get to see details of the will for ninety years. For example, the Castle and gardens of Mey in Scotland, the late Queen Mother’s “party castle”. Isn’t that just lovely for him?

They say Charles works extremely hard. and perhaps he does, but for a start I imagine managing and visiting fourteen residences on a loop takes up a lot of time!

Seriously though, I know that a couple of Charles’s more modest properties preserve and showcase local heritage and crafts which is admirable, but I find the fact that their property assets are so vast in a time when the homelessness crisis in the UK is at its height, bordering on the obscene.

Could not Charles have immediately set one of his many teams to work on a project for opening a few of their estates to the public? Or selling one or two and returning the revenue to the state or ploughing it in to the NHS?

Why does he need fourteen residences or however many there are? It’s excessive. And it adds to the fog clouding their finances and accounting.

If we had an elected Head of State this would all be transparent and above board. But there are currently so many financial grey areas relating to the upkeep of private and state residences. Rather useful one might conclude!

Edited: this article contains more information on Charles’s assets

www.businessinsider.com/royal-family-net-worths-money-finances-king-charles-2023-5#a-large-portion-of-charles-wealth-comes-from-the-sovereign-grant-a-taxpayer-funded-grant-given-to-the-monarch-2

UndeniablyGenX · 13/12/2024 12:53

Great post @Notnecessarilynothing6532

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enzomari · 13/12/2024 12:58

@Notnecessarilynothing6532 - summed it up perfectly

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Mrsbloggz · 13/12/2024 13:05

UndeniablyGenX · 13/12/2024 12:53

Great post @Notnecessarilynothing6532

I agree, except for one point, she said it was bordering on obscene, imo it is far far beyond obscene.
The royal family are a vile greedy festering bloated carbuncle.

Gettingbysomehow · 13/12/2024 13:18

I epuld have said I was a royalist when Queen Elizabeth was alive but not now.
I think it's time to let it go.

UndeniablyGenX · 13/12/2024 13:31

Gettingbysomehow · 13/12/2024 13:18

I epuld have said I was a royalist when Queen Elizabeth was alive but not now.
I think it's time to let it go.

I was never a royalist, but I think the royals generally lost a lot of ground with the public after the death of Elizabeth II.

Charles, rightly or wrongly, has never been very popular since all the Diana furore.

William used to be popular, but frankly, he and Kate just don't do very much (and I'm not including Kate's period of illness in that - this applied before she was ill).

Anne is probably the only one now who commands widespread respect, because she is at least, by the standards of the royals, relatively hard working.

It all points to a lack of purpose, and thankfully people are starting to wake up to the fact huge amounts of their money are being spunked on very little.

Extiainoiapeial · 13/12/2024 13:40

Excellent post @Notnecessarilynothing6532

And @UndeniablyGenX so agree. Their popularity is hemorrhaging, by their own hand, they really don't help themselves

I do think we will go from apathy by some, to irritation. Only diehard royalists think they are worthy of all their riches

CathyorClaire · 13/12/2024 16:36

I was never a royalist, but I think the royals generally lost a lot of ground with the public after the death of Elizabeth II.

I agree.

I have said before I think they missed a trick in not deciding to wander off into the sunset of their own accord and it's becoming more and more apparent that this is indeed the case. They have chosen a long slow decline into irrelevance rather than going out on a high.

I sincerely hope the disinterested, workshy Willy will be our last 'king'.

TizerorFizz · 13/12/2024 16:52

There are many of us who are not in favour of the RF as they currently are but feel the constitutional monarch is the best solution for this country.

Charles was always going to like the trappings of monarchy. He’s not capable of slimming down. Although with Harry gone, and Andrew, it has slimmed down in terms of family members doing anything. There used to be more. Princess Alexandra, Margaret, /Duchess of Kent and Gloucester, Prince/Princess Michael of Kent and the Queen Mother. Probably more I’ve forgotten! They were all housed and now they are not. Charles is still arguing with Andrew over his house. However William should start getting rid of properties instead of adding to them.

kikisparks · 13/12/2024 16:55

No, I’m a republican.

I do wonder what would happen to them though. Sue Townsend’s book imagining that scenario was pretty funny.

AngryLikeHades · 13/12/2024 17:02

The fact they avoid paying tax as much as possible annoys me, the queen mother was brilliant at that.
The queen mother was in debt to her bank by about one million pounds and the queen paid it back after she died.
Obviously we can't say that is 100% true, but if it is, it's not very good is it, when there's huge swathes of people not being able to keep a roof over their head, myself included if I didn't receive disability benefit.

UndeniablyGenX · 13/12/2024 17:08

kikisparks · 13/12/2024 16:55

No, I’m a republican.

I do wonder what would happen to them though. Sue Townsend’s book imagining that scenario was pretty funny.

It's a hilarious book and it was very clear who of the (then) royal family Sue Townsend thought was useless!

Ukisgaslit · 13/12/2024 17:17

If anyone connected to the government sees this thread - here is an easy win for you.

Fold the Duchys into the crown estate ( as was the original intention) , stop this medieval nonsense and send all its profits to the treasury

That reform would be something positive for the country .
Even the dwindling band of royalists mostly agree that the greed of the royals needs to be checked .

Notnecessarilynothing6532 · 13/12/2024 17:36

Ukisgaslit · 13/12/2024 17:17

If anyone connected to the government sees this thread - here is an easy win for you.

Fold the Duchys into the crown estate ( as was the original intention) , stop this medieval nonsense and send all its profits to the treasury

That reform would be something positive for the country .
Even the dwindling band of royalists mostly agree that the greed of the royals needs to be checked .

That’s a really good suggestion. 👍

Extiainoiapeial · 13/12/2024 17:58

There are many of us who are not in favour of the RF as they currently are but feel the constitutional monarch is the best solution for this country

And there are many of us who just know this is the only option in our (and our children's no doubt) lifetime. It's being realistic really. No political party will pick this up, it's a hot potato. But as the more elderly die off (who tend to be leaning towards being royalists) and the apathy sets in with the younger generation, maybe it will change somewhat.

Interestingly, I've seen on here that some posters say that they used to be more republican but changed their tune and support the royal family the older they got. For me... the opposite 🤣

SerendipityJane · 13/12/2024 18:01

Out of interest, how can the "apolitical" Royal Family be involved in:

It has been raised again with the controversy over a Chinese business contact, accused of cultivating financial links with the prince in a way that could be exploited for "leverage for political purposes". Buckingham Palace declined to comment, saying only that they do not act for the prince, who is not a working royal.
It is a reminder of how the royals can be targeted by those wanting to build links either for their own personal ambition or for a strategic political agenda. Getting close to the royals is seen as a way of getting influence.

Remind me: how do we remove Prince Andrew from office ? When is that election ?

Extiainoiapeial · 13/12/2024 18:06

The Queen Mother, Princess Margaret and Andrew typify the very very worst of the Royal Family.

Margaret used to lounge in bed until her first martini at 12 noon, the QM was a complete spendthrift at one time having a £4million overdraft (decades ago so far more now), but managed to pass down millions? Look at Andrew and his chinese spy buddy (news today)... with Buckingham Palace saying they had no comment on it as he is not a working Royal. Bullshit to that. It was a serious MI5 security issue but no comment?? He threatened national security.

Havalona · 13/12/2024 18:30

Their recent illnesses have taken the spotlight off their other shenanigans for a while. I hate to be THAT cynic but....

IdaGlossop · 13/12/2024 18:41

LMAO just heard a commentator on Radio 4 say 'Prince Andrew has no intelligence'. Too right, although it wasn't what he meant. Well done, Andrew. As a member of the family supposed to represent Britain on the world stage, you have put us citizens at risk, and all because of your grandiosity. Palace security services are so lax. They let anybody in - J. Savile, J. Epstein, Chinese spy.

Ukisgaslit · 13/12/2024 19:08

Notnecessarilynothing6532 · 13/12/2024 17:36

That’s a really good suggestion. 👍

It’s not my idea @Notnecessarilynothing6532 . It has been suggested many times by the likes of Norman Baker , Republic. and organisations concerned with tax reform . It really is a wrong which should have been righted a long time ago

UndeniablyGenX · 13/12/2024 20:09
Season 4 Success GIF by The Office

just heard a commentator on Radio 4 say 'Prince Andrew has no intelligence'.

😂

CathyorClaire · 13/12/2024 20:11

IdaGlossop · 13/12/2024 18:41

LMAO just heard a commentator on Radio 4 say 'Prince Andrew has no intelligence'. Too right, although it wasn't what he meant. Well done, Andrew. As a member of the family supposed to represent Britain on the world stage, you have put us citizens at risk, and all because of your grandiosity. Palace security services are so lax. They let anybody in - J. Savile, J. Epstein, Chinese spy.

You'd think after Ghislaine Maxwell was pictured sitting on the throne, Epstein and Maxwell were pictured in a private Balmoral snug, the brown-nosing Beckhams were allowed to use BP for a princess party and an alleged fraudster living rent free in a Crown Estate Mayfair flat was found to have tipped oodles of wonga into Randy and family's bank accounts they'd be a bit more interested in who he was consorting with.

Apparently not.

CathyorClaire · 13/12/2024 20:18

Ukisgaslit · 13/12/2024 17:17

If anyone connected to the government sees this thread - here is an easy win for you.

Fold the Duchys into the crown estate ( as was the original intention) , stop this medieval nonsense and send all its profits to the treasury

That reform would be something positive for the country .
Even the dwindling band of royalists mostly agree that the greed of the royals needs to be checked .

I agree.

I'd also add the abolition of the Sovereign Grant and the re-imposition of a fixed sum Civil List every penny of which to be fully and transparently accounted for and the amount robustly debated in Parliament at very regular intervals.