Thread 13 Starmer - facts are for lefties

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You know what else has risen ?

BTC.

The old normal is the new unusual

The Trump effect

Keep away from landfills

None of this is really anything new though. We're living through an updated version of the fall of the Roman Republic and the establishment of the Imperial line that will eventually rule without oversight and forever be in hock to whatever emerges as the 21st century Praetorian guard.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

The only real question is over timing. The Republic took as long to fall as it did as the physical limitations on communication and organisation were the limiting factor. With those removed (or reduced) it's unclear what the next limiting factor is. It may be there is an intrinsic unit of social change - like a "population second" and that can't be circumvented.

If it's any consolation, the man who broke the republic didn't really get to enjoy his New World Order. So it's worth keeping a close eye on who would become Octavian.

The MPs responsible for detailed scrutiny of the assisted dying bill have been selected.

Made up of 14 supporters, including two ministers; nine opponents and senior voices from both sides of the debate, the committee will review the legislation line-by-line and suggest amendments before it goes any further.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e34gvzlv0o

The first I heard of it was from a local lady who runs art and needle craft classes and sells a few prints and patterns. Unless there is further clarification along the line, it appears that even a pdf knitting pattern wouldn't be exempt.

@derxa what do you th8nk about this? Why aren’t you commenting in how the government are helping farmers when they are?

The government paid out £343m last week to boost the rural economy and improve food security.

31,000 farmers benefited.

Next year, changes will be brought in to these schemes which help farmers even more and other plans will support and boost farming and rural communities.

So much help and support from government...and yet all the focus is on IHT!

Yes anything that helps. It doesn’t affect me because that’s for English farmers. Scottish government has its own scheme. We have to jump through more hoops to get basic payment.

Nothing to do with Brexit, it's all the EU's fault says Frost

Frost to SME, with 25% of its biz at risk: SOZ you're struggling, but it's all the EU's fault. They're always introducing new rules. That's why we left. So we wouldn't be subject to them.

SME: But we ARE still subject to them. That's the point.

Frost: Still the EU's fault. Definitely not mine.

https://bsky.app/profile/bestforbritain.bsky.social/post/3ld4hxdlavs2m

When it comes back to the floor of the House it should be given more than just a day for debate.

I worked on a farm for many years, my partner was the herdsman & i ve read you call people far worse... vile was one comment you threw at someone recently.

You yourself were boasting how much you were making with Lamb, Dairy farmers are the same, beef doing very well too.

Farmers have and do all they can to get one over who ever is paying them ad are experts at avoiding tax.

BUT i'm ok letting IHT go back to 0% if they lose their subsidies, how about that for a deal? worked in NZ...

you mention "Basic payments, quite why should you get these???

Might look a tad better if they didn’t pop down to the food bank too… don’t want to pay tax but can give you some free stuff! Amazing own goal

What is it with sandwiches at the moment?
Who cares what Badenoch thinks about sandwiches?

Henry Morris shares the interview here

https://bsky.app/profile/mrhenrymorris.bsky.social/post/3ld6cc3ngck2n

NEW: For those of you that missed it, here's that Kemi Badenoch Spectator article in full.

Its more the attitude that she things people shouldn't have a lunch break... says all we need to know about what sheltered and entitled lives they live.

At a guess Kemi does.

Was this another take from her usual car crash PMQs ?

Trial by jury being phased out. Seems Labour really are Tories in flat caps.

Lunch is for whimps?

Glad I don't work for her. Lunch is important for many reasons.

I am very meh about this, but then I come from a country that doesn't have jury trials and yet isn't mired in miscarriages of justice. There arre other systems that work.

The problem with not having a jury is no one ever gets a chance to then be a final arbiter on an unjust law. You just have robots applying a tickbox test.

Remember Clive Ponting ? No magistrate or judge would have acquitted him. It took 12 random people to say "hang on, this is bollocks".

Once you lose that, you lose the last chance the public have of peacefully demonstrating to the establishment how wrong they are.

Lady Chatterlys Lover ? Decided by a panel of magistrates and a judge ? Would have been a guilty. And wives and servants would not have been allowed to read it.

I would be curious to know how non-jury judicial systems allow for something like jury nullification. If indeed they do.

Computer says: guilty.

Where did you read this?

its being investigated as part of an overall review

Reducing number of jury trials being considered by government to clear courts backlog | Politics News | Sky News

I thought this was hilarious. She is an unconscious wit. Self regarding, trivial and shallow. A trifecta of disappointment.

The Telegraph has started to have a go at her. Why they didn’t understand the legendarily unclubbable but massively smuggable Badenoch was a dire choice earlier is a mystery.

Back log has to be cleared, whether non jury trails are the way forward, i don't know.... but something needs to be done.

Everything i ve seen so far with the Lab govt indicates they or rather we, are in v deep economic crisis and we aren't willing to increase taxes, which would hurt growth in any case.

Or as one economic commentator has just said "i wouldn't want to be chancellor, no party can fix our woes and things will get worse until we reach a crunch point"

Which makes not joining SM/CU even more perverse.

My understanding is that the backlog is not caused by a lack of jurors.
Removing jurors from the system would be a really bad idea, most people don't understand how the law works, but it is a fundamental understanding that if you are accused of a serious crime, you have the right to be tried by a jury of your peers.