Taliban ban women from nursing and midwifery training

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy3l1035nlo.amp

Women have now been banned from attending their nursing and midwifery courses at university.

Female patients are only allowed to be attended to by a female unless accompanied by their male escort. This means that thousands of women will now be giving birth by themselves if they can't find a midwife, which are already in short supply. Afghanistan has the highest rate of maternal mortality in the world.

This is horrifying.

That’s horrific. It will lead to so many deaths of women and children.
I mean I know the talibán hate women, but you’d think they’d have some investment in the next generation.

The Taliban are so thick they don't realise without women there will be no more men and no more Afghanistan.

It's a death cult, surely? If they don't care about the women (which clearly they don't) what about their children, who will also die or end up with lifelong disability as a result of problems in the pregnancy or birth?

The ultimate Darwin award will, in around 50 years, go to the Taliban for eradicating the Afghani people through misogyny.

Given they've already banned women from talking to each other, it's hard to see how any health care practitioner could treat a woman anyway.

Maybe they've read their classical history, and are planning to imitate Romulus ?

That will mean they need to read banned literature. If they read banned literature they'd have learned from the Chinese under Mao.

Ignorance combined with misogyny combined with warped interpretations of religion are truly terrifying. It’s all so fucked up and the west just seems to be sitting by and watching it all happen.

Why is the international community doing nothing? If this were being done to an ethnic group then it would?

Or perhaps not given the Gaza situation?

There is no meaningful UN anymore.

They're utter bastards, aren't they.

But I'm puzzled as to what motivates them. Most countries have patriarchy of some kind, and male privilege, but what possible benefit can there be to the men in stopping women being midwives?

It's getting worse and worse
And it's targeting only women it's apartheid.

It's beyond wicked

Why is the international community doing nothing?

Generally, countries - especially developed Western ones - getting involved in other countries affairs has become a little unfashionable of late.

Also we had a shot at it, which wasn't really our best hour.

Besides what would you have us do ? I don't think turning off the wifi is going to have much of an impact.

And all of that is before you realise that it's only women being affected. Don't think for a moment misogyny has been eradicated because the Spice Girls once had a number one.

Who's going to nurse these men if they are injured or unwell?

Nobody, I hope. They can rot and die.

No one. That's the point. These men hate women so much they don't realise society can't function without us. The damage to their population will be devastating before they realise what's happening to them.

Devils advocate here but "Afghanistan has the highest death rate for women" & a ban on women (the majority of students studying midwifery) & a mandatory escort (unfortunately male) may be the beginnings of an attempt to change the way births are being conducted.

I'm absolutely not defending the taliban here at all but surely it's in their best interest to change the currant circumstance that's leading to all these women & babies deaths for their own longevity & with so many men in power over there it's likely at least 1 has lost a wife/child

I would like to see a long term goal for this (& preferably 'male escorts' replaced with Doctors of either gender) Before I criticise changes to any failing system

In what way could banning women from studying to be midwives be the beginning of a long term goal of improving health care? like how???

Total nonsense. Male escorts are not male doctors and this absolutely doesn’t seem to be coming from a place of improving medical care. It’s far more likely to increase the number of deaths. Trying to see some sort of bright side here seems spectacularly crass.

Because this may not be a permanent ban if it doesn't end up working for the taliban & because they may have suspicions from women themselves that training is not up to standard & the wrong types of women are being forced/encouraged into these roles because their women & it's a women's job ect.

Mumsnet is full of story's by British women who have had bad experiances of prominently female midwives & NHS births & would have loved a escort to actually see what goes on behind closed doors when they were at their most vulnerable & were treated poorly/dismissed as over reacting

At the end of the day... The taliban cant exist if women are dying - these women are the wives/mother's/sisters of these men as badly as they're treated in public losing them altogether would be a major blow for the male side

All I'm saying is that Afghanistan already has a piss poor record of childbirth & a new system is being implemented until it's announced as the final plan & proven to be a massive failure I genuinely prey for the women that this is some semblance of change to a crap system that will lower their death rates on the day they give birth

Basically they don't want women to have agency or to talk to each other. Ever.

What you're saying makes no sense. How is preventing women from becoming nurses and midwives 'implementing a new system'? If you read the article, you'll see that there's already a huge shortage of midwives in Afghanistan - probably that's a large part of why so many women die in childbirth.

Unattended births with no experienced birth attendants are not the beginning of a new system that will improve maternal and infant mortality. What a bizarre take on this. You criticise our NHS approach but compare our rates with Afghanistan's.

No. You’re assuming that the Taliban view women as anything more than another domestic appliance/farm animal. They are completely othered now over there, they can’t learn, go out or even speak. They aren’t humans to the Taliban and this is in no way an attempt to improve women’s health care.

I applaud your optimism but your naivety is horrifying.

hopefully satan 🤣