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Gregg Wallace responds with “A handful of comments from middle class women of a certain age”

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Conniebygaslight · 01/12/2024 09:04

Just heard his comments on the news….unbelievable.

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hopefor25 · 01/12/2024 22:07

JohnTheRevelator · 01/12/2024 20:14

I heard this on LBC radio news this morning. I was totally flabbergasted. Up until now,I was of the opinion,innocent until proven guilty. But with that comment,I've completely changed my mind. What an utter misogynistic twat. A handful of middle class women of a certain age?! Gaslighting at its finest. As if 'middle class women of a certain age' should be grateful and flattered that such a fine specimen of masculinity as him would bother with them. And as for saying that there's been 'only 13 complaints out of 4000 guests over twenty years',so bloody what?! One complaint is too many! He's well and truly sealed his fate now. His lawyer must be apoplectic.

There were far bigger bbc "stars" who behaved as badly if not worse and were never pilloried for it and have gone on to have careers and fame.

Honestly I wish people would stop looking at one man and address the issue that is prevalent - men get away with shit non stop. And organisations let them. And now their lack of accountability is a PR strategy to hang him. Who knows the context his words were uttered in. Headlines are misleading. It's no coincidence that it is front and centre of every media platform. It's meant to be: this is how it works.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/12/2024 22:16

Who knows the context his words were uttered in.

Who cares?

The only context that would make the words OK is if he were quoting someone else - critically, and ideally as part of an official complaint about or investigation into that person.

And he certainly wasn't doing that.

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/12/2024 22:18

hopefor25 · 01/12/2024 22:07

There were far bigger bbc "stars" who behaved as badly if not worse and were never pilloried for it and have gone on to have careers and fame.

Honestly I wish people would stop looking at one man and address the issue that is prevalent - men get away with shit non stop. And organisations let them. And now their lack of accountability is a PR strategy to hang him. Who knows the context his words were uttered in. Headlines are misleading. It's no coincidence that it is front and centre of every media platform. It's meant to be: this is how it works.

I wish people would stop looking at one man and address the issue that is prevalent - men get away with shit non stop. And organisations let them. And now their lack of accountability is a PR strategy to hang him.

"In the name of holding men accountable, I wish people would stop holding this man accountable."

ThePoliteLion · 01/12/2024 22:31

What is wrong with the BBC? Why employ these creeps and keep them in their overpaid jobs, despite knowing they are deeply unpleasant or worse? And would probably have been sacked ten times over in different sector.
I’m glad I don’t pay the licence fee and watch it.

Emmaheather · 01/12/2024 22:32

NigelHarmansNewWife · 01/12/2024 21:54

BBC News has been investigating. It operates independently from the BBC itself. Clearly many people have complained about him.

GW seems to think 13 complaints out of thousands of contestants over the years is unimportant. How many of us would amass that many complaints against us and keep our jobs?

@GivingitToGod you asked why people are coming forward now - see @NigelHarmansNewWife response.

hopefor25 · 01/12/2024 22:35

Look, I don't like him either. That is not my point. He's a creepy character who has been allowed and enabled to behave badly. But there is a reason for it. Because the whole industry is rotten to the core. And the bbc are failing to deliver on their core ethical accountability because like every other broadcaster there is no money and people value their jobs more than their morals. He should have gone quietly years ago patently or been given a severe slap for it. But he didn't because everyone looks the other way. Not just in TV - in all industries where money and personalities are intertwined.

I don't really give a damn. But I do care that a person is being hung out to dry for actions that are not appropriate and maybe to do with mental health or whatever and now the scapegoat for a lack of action. Everyone is entitled to due process and allegations are about innocent until proven guilty. Right now that is not happening. So what he said middle class women going me too. All of this is hearsay and should not be allowed to happen. Not because of him - but because it could happen to anyone.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/12/2024 22:36

RedToothBrush · 01/12/2024 19:28

THEY DIDN'T!

I'VE LITERALLY JUST POSTED A LIST OF COMPLAINTS THAT WERE MADE AND YOU ARE CHOOSING NOT TO SEE IT.

Some people are Fact Resistant.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

crockofshite · 01/12/2024 22:39

RenoDakota · 01/12/2024 09:25

Can't stand Gregg Wallace and think he is a creepy, misogynist prick.
But ... I gave up watching Bake Off because of the constant, stupid, puerile sexual innuendo. Why is that not subject to the same scrutiny?

Wot? Soggy bottoms upsets you?

SheilaFentiman · 01/12/2024 22:43

All of this is hearsay

Nope, hearsay is when you tell me something and I tell it to the court, but you are not available to come to court to say it directly. Direct testimony from eg Kirsty wark is not hearsay

What I expect you meant is “her (13 hers!) word against his” - I believe that some of the comments were on tape.

crockofshite · 01/12/2024 22:44

WillowTit · 01/12/2024 09:55

did he cancelled from the factory programme? there were allegations from that werent there?

Yes I thought that series was dropped because of his inappropriate behaviour when filming.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 22:45

It might be me being an uptight middle aged woman but I don't see any context where it's ok to utter a rape "joke" in the workplace (or otherwise). Ever.

RedToothBrush · 01/12/2024 22:48

SheilaFentiman · 01/12/2024 22:43

All of this is hearsay

Nope, hearsay is when you tell me something and I tell it to the court, but you are not available to come to court to say it directly. Direct testimony from eg Kirsty wark is not hearsay

What I expect you meant is “her (13 hers!) word against his” - I believe that some of the comments were on tape.

Given how a lot of this was filmed, there will be a significant amount that still exists but just didn't make the edit.

Which is precisely why he hasn't gone down the denial route, because he can't. The most he can do is go on the attack and blame everyone else for their behaviour instead. He has no where else to go with this apart from apologising.

The way he treats his wife (and his ex wives before) even by his own admission says a lot. Knowing this, you know he's never going to even consider apologising.

He's a relic.

A glittering career beckons stateside.

Shame he'll struggle to get a visa for his MIL.

hopefor25 · 01/12/2024 22:50

SheilaFentiman · 01/12/2024 22:43

All of this is hearsay

Nope, hearsay is when you tell me something and I tell it to the court, but you are not available to come to court to say it directly. Direct testimony from eg Kirsty wark is not hearsay

What I expect you meant is “her (13 hers!) word against his” - I believe that some of the comments were on tape.

Kirsty Wark is no fearful victim. She had the opportunity to voice her opinion and concerns. And to do so in a way that doesn't destroy a person who may need help. If this was a woman in the same position - unhinged and out of control- what would we be saying now?

If he is ASD (as his son is) and clearly long undiagnosed he is almost certainly a person with massive mental health and negative coping skills in an industry that has enabled that behaviour.

Does everyone deserve to be cancelled bc the bbc has allowed high profile employees to speak out against him? Does that not say something about their wish to divert attention from their lack of care towards the people who made complaints years and years ago?

There is more care in a criminal justice process than what is happening here.

Greenkindness · 01/12/2024 22:51

Conniebygaslight · 01/12/2024 21:23

It’s about power, he’s a man, which makes him more powerful over a woman physically for a start and he’s a judge/star of a big show which makes him incredibly powerful. Mary Berry Giggling over a soggy bottom for example isn’t the same thing, it’s not predatory.

Agree - if Paul H was saying let me see if you have soggy bottom or I bet you have firm buns - that would be different.

martinisforeveryone · 01/12/2024 22:52

@RedToothBrush his MIL? Visa issue. Is that in the public domain?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 22:54

@RedToothBrush A glittering career beckons stateside.
Shame he'll struggle to get a visa for his MIL.

Funnily enough I saw this earlier.

Gregg Wallace responds with “A handful of comments from middle class women of a certain age”
RedToothBrush · 01/12/2024 22:54

martinisforeveryone · 01/12/2024 22:52

@RedToothBrush his MIL? Visa issue. Is that in the public domain?

If he goes to the US for a career how is he going to be able to take her as the live in slave nanny?

SheilaFentiman · 01/12/2024 22:55

hopefor25 · 01/12/2024 22:50

Kirsty Wark is no fearful victim. She had the opportunity to voice her opinion and concerns. And to do so in a way that doesn't destroy a person who may need help. If this was a woman in the same position - unhinged and out of control- what would we be saying now?

If he is ASD (as his son is) and clearly long undiagnosed he is almost certainly a person with massive mental health and negative coping skills in an industry that has enabled that behaviour.

Does everyone deserve to be cancelled bc the bbc has allowed high profile employees to speak out against him? Does that not say something about their wish to divert attention from their lack of care towards the people who made complaints years and years ago?

There is more care in a criminal justice process than what is happening here.

Ok doke.

Not all inappropriate behaviour is criminal, you know? I doubt very much the rapist/foreplay comment would make it to court. Nor would him banging on about his sex life to Kirsty A. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t create a hostile working environment.

And what about the women who are “cancelled” by pervasive sexual harassment and just give up on a career in TV/film/comedy? Do they matter?

And I very much doubt the “bbc has allowed” Kirsty wark to speak out. She is an individual entitled to make comments on her experiences, regardless of her employer.

All in all, your post is massively misguided.

RedToothBrush · 01/12/2024 22:56

hopefor25 · 01/12/2024 22:50

Kirsty Wark is no fearful victim. She had the opportunity to voice her opinion and concerns. And to do so in a way that doesn't destroy a person who may need help. If this was a woman in the same position - unhinged and out of control- what would we be saying now?

If he is ASD (as his son is) and clearly long undiagnosed he is almost certainly a person with massive mental health and negative coping skills in an industry that has enabled that behaviour.

Does everyone deserve to be cancelled bc the bbc has allowed high profile employees to speak out against him? Does that not say something about their wish to divert attention from their lack of care towards the people who made complaints years and years ago?

There is more care in a criminal justice process than what is happening here.

Hmmm. It sounds like she did.

Along with a number of others. Who were ignored.

Despite him getting kicked out of Nestle and booted off Impossible Celebrities for his conduct.

DeniseElizabeth611234 · 01/12/2024 22:58

Same. Lol

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 22:59

Despite him getting kicked out of Nestle.

Funny how he hasn't addressed this, easier to go after women than the big, internationally company.

RedToothBrush · 01/12/2024 23:00

SheilaFentiman · 01/12/2024 22:55

Ok doke.

Not all inappropriate behaviour is criminal, you know? I doubt very much the rapist/foreplay comment would make it to court. Nor would him banging on about his sex life to Kirsty A. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t create a hostile working environment.

And what about the women who are “cancelled” by pervasive sexual harassment and just give up on a career in TV/film/comedy? Do they matter?

And I very much doubt the “bbc has allowed” Kirsty wark to speak out. She is an individual entitled to make comments on her experiences, regardless of her employer.

All in all, your post is massively misguided.

In terms of criminality, employers DO have a legal responsibility to others in the workplace in terms of it being free of sexual harassment.

This means that legal proceedings are a possibility if GregG has been inappropriate. His statement almost comes across as an admission. Which potentially drops his employer right in it, potentially will little further comeback on Wallace.

That raises the question of liability.

If Wallace is a bitter coward, then an admission dropping his employer in it would be a smart move. One simple problem with this as a possibility though. GregG is not smart.

So yeah there are legal issues very much still here.

RedToothBrush · 01/12/2024 23:01

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 22:59

Despite him getting kicked out of Nestle.

Funny how he hasn't addressed this, easier to go after women than the big, internationally company.

Quite. He was booted because Nestle as an employer has legal responsibilities to its staff and so acted accordingly to protect it's staff.

He hasn't understood this incident.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 01/12/2024 23:02

@RedToothBrush GregG is not smart.

Bet he's someone who says he graduated from the university of life.

SheilaFentiman · 01/12/2024 23:02

Thanks @RedToothBrush - wouldn’t those be civil rather than criminal proceedings? PP was talking about criminal court

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