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Dairy Cow Feed Additive Trials - statement from Soil Association

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Verbena17 · 29/11/2024 18:13

In case anybody is wondering about how safe the Uk milk chain is, following the past few days news about the Bovaer dairy feed trials and Arla milk/products, the Soil Association has made this statement…

‘This week, Arla Foods UK announced a trial on 30 farms for the use of Bovaer®, a feed additive aimed at reducing methane emissions from cows. news.arlafoods.co.uk/news/major-ret…

This has led us to receive a large number of questions about whether this feed additive would be permitted in organic. It would not.

Soil Association organic standards stipulate that all ingredients/components of a feed additive must be actively approved for use and be deemed safe and nutritionally useful for the animal. The main components that make up Bovaer® are not included in the list of approved products/compounds and as a result, Bovaer® would not be permitted under organic standards and for use in organic farming.

Arla buys milk from many different farms and they supply both organic and non-organic milk. Any organic milk they supply must meet organic regulation requirements and the production has to be completely separate from any non-organic milk. This must be demonstrated and independently audited every year.’

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Sortumn · 30/11/2024 08:41

SteaknSalad · 30/11/2024 07:33

It’s possible for something to be simultaneously good for the environment, but harmful to human health.

As far as I can see, there have been no long term studies on the effects of humans consuming meat & dairy from Bovaer® fed cattle. We have no idea what the health consequences (good, neutral or bad) are to humans who regularly consume these products over years or decades.

Bovaer® works by suppressing the enzyme which produces methane from hydrogen & CO2 in the rumen of the cow. Perhaps this has a knock-on effect we are not yet aware of, such as up-regulating the production of other compounds within the rumen. If it does, these compounds could be beneficial, neutral or detrimental to human health. It’s possible that such compounds could bioaccumulate slowly, making the health consequences difficult to determine in the short term and only becoming clear after years of consumption.

An infamous example is the pesticide DDT - it took almost 30 years between first being commercially available for use in the agricultural industry, to being banned due to its harmful health effects stemming from bioaccumulation.

The crux of the matter is, there appears to be no long term safety data for this pharmaceutical which is being administered to the food supply without people’s knowledge or consent. Consumers are being experimented on without awareness.

We're only just touching the tip of the iceberg of the importance of our own gut health, yet we're interfering with cows?!
Why wouldn't we be concerned about this!?

We don't have to read conspiracy theories to decide to leave this product well alone until we are convinced it is ok.

Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 09:22

BeethovenNinth · 30/11/2024 04:56

I’m also raging about this. As if farming wasn’t in enough of a mess

we have had no notice we have been consuming this. Haven’t we learnt enough from previous food scandals that we need long term safety data?

oh it’s not in the actual milk they say - I don’t remotely believe it

it will be hugely restrictive avoiding this crap eating out

diss anyone know if Lidl is using it)

I saw someone on X had asked Lidl and don’t think they had yet replied.

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Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 09:23

Inanni · 30/11/2024 06:18

"Reduced methane from cows is good because methane is a major contributor to climate change"

Feeding cows a seaweed supplement significantly reduces methane. Organic dairy farms already do this.

Edited

Yes I was reading about a Scottish farm that does this.

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Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 09:31

parietal · 30/11/2024 04:57

Why on earth are you making a fuss about this? Reduced methane from cows is good because methane is a major contributor to climate change. And this feed additive isn't going to change the milk. Sounds like you've been reading conspiracy theories.

Read the posts in the whole thread. ‘Making a fuss’ about a feed additive that the trial data shows has health consequences in humans is something to make a fuss over, wouldn’t you think?

The net zero scam is totally that - a scam!
Check out Farmer Andrew explaining how methane from his herd is broken down and has no affect on the climate.

Whilst you’re there, watch Climate:The Movie (The Cold Truth) which explains how climate scientists were paid into finding whatever answers on climate would allow them to continue their university research careers…and where they explain that ‘net zero’ is the biggest scam you’ll find out there!

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Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 11:55

Not sure how extensive this is but might be some helpful info…
https://caremore.wixsite.com/bovaer-free-farms

Home | Bovaer Free Farms

https://caremore.wixsite.com/bovaer-free-farms

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Rosybud88 · 30/11/2024 12:14

Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 11:55

Not sure how extensive this is but might be some helpful info…
https://caremore.wixsite.com/bovaer-free-farms

Thank you for sharing this. I’m embarrassed to say I opted for convenience previously but this has pushed me to go local and if one good thing comes out of this I hope it gives local farmers a boost.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 30/11/2024 12:40

In 30/40 years there will be a public inquiry into this. How it was allowed to happen and how many people have suffered ill health as a consequence of it.

”The additive consists of silicon dioxide, propylene glycol, and an organic compound called 3-nitrooxypropanol (3-NOP). While some claims suggest that the additive has no adverse effects on cows, a report from the Food Standards Agency last year highlighted concerns about 3-NOP, stating that it “should be considered corrosive to the eyes, a skin irritant, and potentially harmful by inhalation” for humans handling the substance.

Oh and it will be revealed who profited from the Bill Gates backed venture too 🙄

Good enough reasons to boycott Arla and all mass produced shit.

Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 12:56

benefitstaxcredithelp · 30/11/2024 12:40

In 30/40 years there will be a public inquiry into this. How it was allowed to happen and how many people have suffered ill health as a consequence of it.

”The additive consists of silicon dioxide, propylene glycol, and an organic compound called 3-nitrooxypropanol (3-NOP). While some claims suggest that the additive has no adverse effects on cows, a report from the Food Standards Agency last year highlighted concerns about 3-NOP, stating that it “should be considered corrosive to the eyes, a skin irritant, and potentially harmful by inhalation” for humans handling the substance.

Oh and it will be revealed who profited from the Bill Gates backed venture too 🙄

Good enough reasons to boycott Arla and all mass produced shit.

Found these on FSA website.
So the conclusion seems to be saying the average daily intake means that humans won’t be consuming enough milk to cause side effects - but what about people (especially children) who consume far more than their daily intake? 🤔

They had evidence in rats that at higher dose levels, 3NOP could cause mesenchymal hyperplasia & benign tumours.

Dairy Cow Feed Additive Trials - statement from Soil Association
Dairy Cow Feed Additive Trials - statement from Soil Association
Dairy Cow Feed Additive Trials - statement from Soil Association
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ChateauMargaux · 30/11/2024 13:18

How long before Bovaer milk is used in formula? and how can the amount of Bovaer in milk be assessed?

Oistinemup · 30/11/2024 13:20

bakewellbride · 29/11/2024 22:41

I am vegan and don't drink the breastmilk of a cow full stop. It's wrong on so many levels.

Same.

I've never liked milk since I was a child - and becoming vegan just meant I had to find an alternative yogurt and (occasional) cheese.

Once you know, you know 😥

Summerhillsquare · 30/11/2024 13:35

So your sum total of evidence that you "believe net zero is a scam" is a couple of you tube videos by people with vested interests?

Climate change is man made, agriculture is a huge contributor, the scientific consensus on this is widely published but you can start with the IPCC reports for references.

Catastrophic weather changes caused by global warming are damaging farms and farmers eg this year's poor crops due to extra wet conditions. Honestly and lives are being destroyed. The price of your food is at a minimum going up and will soon skyrocket.

Arla and other science minded food growers know they must take urgent action. The best thing you can do is listen to them.

bloodredfeaturewall · 30/11/2024 13:41

I think it's a very interesting trial and am lookjng forward to seeing the results.

I agree however that food labelling in general should be better. especially for listing ingredients.

Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 13:49

Summerhillsquare · 30/11/2024 13:35

So your sum total of evidence that you "believe net zero is a scam" is a couple of you tube videos by people with vested interests?

Climate change is man made, agriculture is a huge contributor, the scientific consensus on this is widely published but you can start with the IPCC reports for references.

Catastrophic weather changes caused by global warming are damaging farms and farmers eg this year's poor crops due to extra wet conditions. Honestly and lives are being destroyed. The price of your food is at a minimum going up and will soon skyrocket.

Arla and other science minded food growers know they must take urgent action. The best thing you can do is listen to them.

‘Vested interest’? Hmm so it’s not Black Rock, dodgy world governments and others such as B Gates who are profiting from the net zero scam then? 😂

Did you even watch the entire Climate Movie video? Some of the world’s leading climatologists are in it - explaining exactly how net zero is a scam.
Bill Gates tries to mansplain himself when asked why he flies in private jets saying he does enough to offset his emissions - what a pile of rubbish!

Human induced CC has virtually zero impact on climate. If you watch the video you’ll learn why.

What IS having a massive impact on the environment is deforestation and soil depletion.

Regenerative farming and afforestation is how we should be preventing flooding.

Not peeing about making crazy low emission zones in London.

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WhereTheDevilAreMySlippers · 30/11/2024 14:04

Urgent action by using largely untested products is not the way to do it. The potential consequences are huge.

There is, rightly, a huge kick back to bovaer, if Arla have any sense they’ll backtrack and remove it.
Arla have always been a great dairy that value traditional methods in conjunction with new technology. Traditional methods (cows out grazing, natural crop cycle of grass) are better for the environment than more industrialised farms. That was worked out years ago, but doesn’t fit the current climate science that does little more than benefiting billionaires.

Summerhillsquare · 30/11/2024 14:45

"some of the world's leading climatologists are in it" 🤣

Anyway we've teased out your agenda I see OP.

BalladOfBarry · 30/11/2024 14:45

Looks like Tesco have already been doing this, but others are included in the trials according to this.

www.farmersguide.co.uk/livestock/dairy-beef/arla-morrisons-tesco-and-aldi-announce-trial-of-methane-reducing-feed-additives/

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 30/11/2024 15:39

thanks @Verbena17
amazed this thread hasn’t blown up with posts given the sites skew towards MC / educated mothers on here

i am REALLY concern about this and was debating whether to go dairy free especially as I stupidly hadn’t clocked veo valley was owned by Arla 🥴

interfering with our food and our children’s food isn’t the way to get to net zero

DianaRiggsCatsuit · 30/11/2024 15:51

@Verbena17
The London ULEZ was extended to reduce the nitrogen dioxide in the air. NO2 is harmful to health, increasing the risks of stroke, heart disease and dementia. It is also harmful to those with asthma and COPD. It was responsible for the death of Ella Kissi-Debrah.
The rules are stricter for diesel vehicles because although they produce more CO2 than petrol, they emit much more NO2 which is worse health wise.
The Brown government encouraged diesel vehicles usage to help with climate change but it made NO2 pollution worse.

DeffoNeedANameChange · 30/11/2024 16:02

The first I'd heard about this was earlier in the week when local, well-respected farmers started posting on SM that they were not one of the 30 farms involved in the trial.

Most farms round here are Arla, I don't know anyone who sells their milk direct. So it's definitely concerned me that they feel the need to speak out (as in, it will make zero difference to the farmer's income stream if the local community know that these specific farms are not involved in the trial . So they must have another reason for letting everyone know their stance on the matter)

Inanni · 30/11/2024 16:44

I would be interested in knowing how the milk is being distributed.
Have individual supermarkets been selected to sell this milk, has an area been selected and all 3 supermarkets in that area will stock it?

i.e. all milk from the trial will be sold in Tesco, Morrisons and Aldi in Greater London

or Tesco in Inverness, Morrison's in Barnstable, Aldi in Truro ?
or is it mixed in with the non trial milk?

I have no idea how these type of trials work, they say it doesn't affect the milk so maybe they are not keeping track of where the milk goes?

bloodredfeaturewall · 30/11/2024 17:44

tbh you usually don't know what is in lifestock feed and supplements.
unlike medication there is not as much regulation about limits and time exclusion before ending up in the food chain.

is the milk entering the human food market? or is it used for pet food or lifestock feed?

Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 18:15

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 30/11/2024 15:39

thanks @Verbena17
amazed this thread hasn’t blown up with posts given the sites skew towards MC / educated mothers on here

i am REALLY concern about this and was debating whether to go dairy free especially as I stupidly hadn’t clocked veo valley was owned by Arla 🥴

interfering with our food and our children’s food isn’t the way to get to net zero

Edited

Yeo Valley are a private organic family farm and have made a statement saying they’re not involved in the trial ……nor can any organic farm that wants to keep its organic status, as confirmed by the soil association.

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Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 18:16

bloodredfeaturewall · 30/11/2024 17:44

tbh you usually don't know what is in lifestock feed and supplements.
unlike medication there is not as much regulation about limits and time exclusion before ending up in the food chain.

is the milk entering the human food market? or is it used for pet food or lifestock feed?

Tesco have been selling milk from the trials since July and it’s in all supermarket chains but don’t know if that’s every store or not.

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Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 18:20

Summerhillsquare · 30/11/2024 14:45

"some of the world's leading climatologists are in it" 🤣

Anyway we've teased out your agenda I see OP.

Err yes. Did you watch it?

i have no agenda - merely stating that not everything you’re told by MSM and government is true 😉😊

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Verbena17 · 30/11/2024 18:21

Interestingly enough, a farmer just told me that ALL the trial milk can be traced by batch number ….so no excuse then as to why Bovaer milk cannot be labelled wherever it’s sold.

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