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Dairy Cow Feed Additive Trials - statement from Soil Association

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Verbena17 · 29/11/2024 18:13

In case anybody is wondering about how safe the Uk milk chain is, following the past few days news about the Bovaer dairy feed trials and Arla milk/products, the Soil Association has made this statement…

‘This week, Arla Foods UK announced a trial on 30 farms for the use of Bovaer®, a feed additive aimed at reducing methane emissions from cows. news.arlafoods.co.uk/news/major-ret…

This has led us to receive a large number of questions about whether this feed additive would be permitted in organic. It would not.

Soil Association organic standards stipulate that all ingredients/components of a feed additive must be actively approved for use and be deemed safe and nutritionally useful for the animal. The main components that make up Bovaer® are not included in the list of approved products/compounds and as a result, Bovaer® would not be permitted under organic standards and for use in organic farming.

Arla buys milk from many different farms and they supply both organic and non-organic milk. Any organic milk they supply must meet organic regulation requirements and the production has to be completely separate from any non-organic milk. This must be demonstrated and independently audited every year.’

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Ellybean1992 · 02/12/2024 14:46

I emailed cathedral this is what they said Our Cathedral City cheese is made using milk from local farms who supply exclusively to us. At present our farms are not using Bovaer but it has been approved for use in the UK by the regulatory authorities and therefore deemed safe.

Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 15:38

mumda · 01/12/2024 21:25

We used to talk about a carbon footprint. Why don't we anymore?

Because, it’s a load of crap.
Saw this on X today - thought it was brilliant!

Dairy Cow Feed Additive Trials - statement from Soil Association
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Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 15:41

DameKatyDenisesClagnuts · 01/12/2024 22:00

I'll tell you what's not 'safe'- extreme weather events caused by climate change. Our kids are potentially going to grow up in a dangerous world with limited resources. The Cognitive dissonance on the thread is staggering.

Have you watched the documentary yet that I linked?

Yes or no?
If ‘no’, perhaps don’t be so quick to judge people who are simply questioning the science.
The cognitive dissonance works both ways.

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Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 15:43

jollygreenpea · 01/12/2024 22:08

To be organic you have to be certified with either the Soil Association or Organic Farmers and Growers ( OF&G ).

The farms have to follow their rules and have yearly inspections.

It's very strict, they don't just do it for a marketing thing

The inspectors will pick 10 (ish) cows and want to know exactly what they have eaten that year.

All feed labels have to be kept, feed can only come from other certified places. Any supplements also have to come from certified places, you have to show a need and get permission to feed them

What food came from what field, how much muck went on the field, did any extra muck come in i.e. horse muck ( as it helps bind the sloppy cow muck to make it easier to spread ). They will want the feed labels from the horse feed to make sure no prohibited ingredients have come in.

It's possible to have a non compliance on the inspection due to having the incorrect light bulb, a hair line crack in plaster that's know where near the cows or milk, that's how in depth the inspections are.

Thanks so much for posting this @jollygreenpea .
I don’t think people realise just how rigid organic farming has to be.

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Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 15:46

custardpyjamas · 02/12/2024 11:04

But then who knows what filth the kelp has been growing in with all the pollution in the sea.

That’s true and also was seeing posts on X saying how the iodine in sea kelp obviously isn’t good for people with thyroid issues.

Just let the cows eat grass and burp and fart is what I think! 😉

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Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 15:55

GooseberryBeret · 02/12/2024 11:18

I don't think it's possible to have a serious discussion about science and risk with someone like OP who doesn't believe humans are causing climate change (except maybe through 'deforestation and soil depletion')!

We can all clearly see climate change impacts now - floods in Spain, the UK heatwave of up to 40C a couple of years ago, etc. Burning fossil fuels is the major cause of increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, deforestation is a contributor, but also methane from various sources including agriculture. Methane has caused almost a third of the heating of the atmosphere so far.

We need to have openness and transparency, yes, but should recognise that harm can be done not just by underplaying risks but also by exaggerating them. An obvious example is exaggerating the dangers of vaccines.

OP derides low emissions zones in cities but these are designed to reduce air pollution which is very clearly dangerous to health, as shown in real human populations, not just animal experiments with high doses of chemicals.

We all make decisions about acceptable levels of risk every day: getting in a car, having a glass of wine, going out in summer without a hat, eating sausages and bacon...

Sure, let's ask questions, but whipping up fear about this while saying we shouldn't worry about climate breakdown and that net zero is a scam is really really unhelpful.

Deriding low emission zones isn’t what I was doing. I just see the worrying outcomes of closed off roads and costs of zoning effecting local businesses and things like emergency vehicles not being able to reach dying patients.

Check out how often the royal family, slebs and elites travel using high carbon transport- they’re the people telling us not to fly, recycle, don’t drive - share your neighbours car etc. What a load of hypocrisy!

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Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 15:57

IAmNotALoon · 02/12/2024 11:21

There could be many ways to tackle climate change: flying and driving less: more public transport; incentives to live near places of work and education; reduce food waste; promote second hand; make goods that are designed to last and be repairable and cleanable instead of making products with built in obsolescence. Instead they target burping cows by keeping them inside and feeding them chemicals. How much methane do the rest of the planets animals, (wild and domesticated) produce? If Bill Gates was serious about climate change he wouldn't have 3 private jets. Does anyone know if this is being trialed elsewhere in the world or are just UK subjects the guinea-pigs atm? Oh I see Bill Gates makes his own version of the stuff (so presumably trialed in the US?) but he has donated money to Arla, but not sure for what exactly.

A farmer/rancher friend in Miniosota, sent me a message yesterday saying Canada had been using Bovaer for a year. He had never heard of it himself until yesterday when I messaged him but he went away and asked around friends.

He thinks it’s a total joke and totally unnecessary.

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MMOC · 02/12/2024 15:58

custardpyjamas · 02/12/2024 11:04

But then who knows what filth the kelp has been growing in with all the pollution in the sea.

It’s not the cows that polluted the oceans.
While methane from cow farts contributes to environmental concerns, humans are the mostly to blame.
How about cleaning up polluted oceans first?
How about reducing traffic? How about investing in local businesses? The list goes on. But I suppose there’s no one’s pocketing being lined if we focus on these issues.
Cows in the UK are not the reason for the global climate issues. I doubt their fart reduction will make a dent on climate change.

Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 16:00

custardpyjamas · 02/12/2024 11:21

It's pretty much impossible for farmers to feed grass all year round, it doesn't grow well in winter, so no doubt 'your cows' will have consumed some form of feed whether organic or not.

That’s why farmers cut grass for easily digested silage to feed to beasts throughout the winter.

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Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 16:01

MMOC · 02/12/2024 15:58

It’s not the cows that polluted the oceans.
While methane from cow farts contributes to environmental concerns, humans are the mostly to blame.
How about cleaning up polluted oceans first?
How about reducing traffic? How about investing in local businesses? The list goes on. But I suppose there’s no one’s pocketing being lined if we focus on these issues.
Cows in the UK are not the reason for the global climate issues. I doubt their fart reduction will make a dent on climate change.

Exactly!

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allthatfalafel · 02/12/2024 16:18

Never trusted the UK dairy industry since the Mad Cow Disease scandal.

potnoodless · 02/12/2024 16:30

Does anyone know where we can look up who the dairy suppliers are? I have Tesco milk with code PR 014 and can’t find out where it is sourced from?

jollygreenpea · 02/12/2024 16:34

A quick google says that covid was good for the environment, yet the cows didn't suddenly stop farting then.

What stopped was transport.

All the hypocritical slebs need to stay home, rather than flying round in private jets, to lecture people that may never have been on a plane, or have one flight a year, to stop flying.

GoneWithTheWindIsMyFart · 02/12/2024 16:38

Poor cows, not even allowed the luxury of being left alone to fart away to their hearts content in peace.

I'm so sick of all this messing around with our farming and our produce. It's like some weird sinister plot to drive us all to veganism.

MMOC · 02/12/2024 16:43

jollygreenpea · 02/12/2024 16:34

A quick google says that covid was good for the environment, yet the cows didn't suddenly stop farting then.

What stopped was transport.

All the hypocritical slebs need to stay home, rather than flying round in private jets, to lecture people that may never have been on a plane, or have one flight a year, to stop flying.

Absolutely, a Met Office article on how lockdown produced lower pollution levels didn’t mention anything about cow farts.
The cow’s weren’t in quarantine with the us.
Cows are not the problem, humans are.

MMOC · 02/12/2024 16:47

potnoodless · 02/12/2024 16:30

Does anyone know where we can look up who the dairy suppliers are? I have Tesco milk with code PR 014 and can’t find out where it is sourced from?

https://www.whereismymilkfrom.com/finding-my-code/

There is a specific code on the milk apparently, it does say where it will be.

Im going to try it later

Finding My Code - Where Is My Milk From?

Search for: Search Dairy Not Found Sorry, the dairy code you searched for doesn’t exist. Please try again with a different code. Finding My Code You don’t need to be a code breaker. Locating your code is easy when you know what you’re looking for. Here...

https://www.whereismymilkfrom.com/finding-my-code

Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 17:17

jollygreenpea · 02/12/2024 16:34

A quick google says that covid was good for the environment, yet the cows didn't suddenly stop farting then.

What stopped was transport.

All the hypocritical slebs need to stay home, rather than flying round in private jets, to lecture people that may never have been on a plane, or have one flight a year, to stop flying.

Excellent points!

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Its2024happynewyear · 02/12/2024 17:37

MMOC · 02/12/2024 16:47

https://www.whereismymilkfrom.com/finding-my-code/

There is a specific code on the milk apparently, it does say where it will be.

Im going to try it later

Does anyone know where the code is on Asda milk?

MMOC · 02/12/2024 18:07

Its2024happynewyear · 02/12/2024 17:37

Does anyone know where the code is on Asda milk?

My bottle of Asda’s own brand milk has the Arla Logo on it. (Very small, never noticed it before.
I tried the code thing and it didn’t work, might be a US site.

Ellybean1992 · 02/12/2024 19:10

Hi all just nother update freshways milk doesn't contain bovaer so iv found a milk il be using from now on

Karina12345 · 03/12/2024 13:47

Great that organic milk not contaminated. Interested to see that Sainsbury's dropped Arla as supplier of their own brand milk in February. Muller supplies Sainsbury's milk now.

www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/04/21/sainsburys-ends-supply-arla/

Ellybean1992 · 03/12/2024 14:49

Hi all onken have contacted ne saying We have contacted all of the co-manufacturers of our Emmi brands including Onken, Emmi CAFFE LATTE, Bettine and our Swiss cheeses and are assured none of the farms in our supply chain are included in any of the Arla Bovaer trials.

Kind Regards,
Ash @ your Onken team

Ellybean1992 · 03/12/2024 14:50

Muller has bovaer init

Haroldwilson · 03/12/2024 14:51

bakewellbride · 29/11/2024 22:41

I am vegan and don't drink the breastmilk of a cow full stop. It's wrong on so many levels.

Uddermilk, surely

Haroldwilson · 03/12/2024 14:52

Verbena17 · 02/12/2024 17:17

Excellent points!

So they're not. 'slebs' reducing their flying would do fuck all to reduce carbon emissions. The food industry has massively more to do with it.