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Assisted Dying Bill tomorrow.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 28/11/2024 20:21

I really hope this goes ahead.

I'm from a family who die from cancer. It's a genetic thing. Over the years I've watched numerous loved ones die from this cruel and ravaging disease. It has taken a massive toll on us. From PTSD to immense guilt, complicated grief and fear of the future.

Not all of my family would have accessed Assisted Dying, but I know some did want it and requested it in the weeks / days leading to their death. They should have had the option of shortening their suffering. Having witnessed what they went through, I want that option for myself.

I want it for my mother. For the past 20 years she has told me when she wants out and how I will have to help her achieve it. I don't want to. She apologises for putting it on me. She shouldn't have to.

No one will be saved if this Bill is stopped, but fear and suffering will be reduced.

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SockFluffInTheBath · 29/11/2024 16:43

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:35

Forgot to post this image.
From bbc survey
61% against !

A poll taken at a time when most working people are working? So it would be a fair assumption that the majority of voters might be people not at work for various reasons- retired, too ill for work etc who fear the next step is an extension of the bill for their families and/or the state to wipe them out.

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:44

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:18

But I want the choice to be able to say that I don't want to take up an nhs bed when I feel that is is my time to die.

Why can't I have that right? Just because you are happy to take up a bed (and that is your right), why can't I have my opinion? Or is only your opinion allowed?

You sound like a dictator. You do you and I will do me.

Because what's worse? You not being allowed that choice or someone being forced or coerced into that choice?

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:44

True
MNs posting here or those posting on the bbc may be certain demographics. Guessing the BBC’s has a wider demographic but no one knows who voted.
A wider voting body with fully available research etc would be interesting

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:46

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:44

True
MNs posting here or those posting on the bbc may be certain demographics. Guessing the BBC’s has a wider demographic but no one knows who voted.
A wider voting body with fully available research etc would be interesting

Or the bbc had people with a vested interest repeatedly voting, much like some people repeatedly post the same thing over and over on forums.

The yougov poll is unbiased so the most indicative poll shows that around 3/4 of the public support assited dying.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/11/2024 16:46

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 15:08

I've only learnt recently that hospices are only partly funded by the NHS...vast majority of their money has to be fundraiser.

Note the government aren't dealing with this issue but are happy to get doctors to kill us

How did you think they were funded? It is clear you have very limited knowledge of end of life care in the UK.

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TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:48

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:44

Because what's worse? You not being allowed that choice or someone being forced or coerced into that choice?

That's merely numbers game, and the majority are willing to take the risk of being coerced to have the choice.

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:49

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/11/2024 16:46

How did you think they were funded? It is clear you have very limited knowledge of end of life care in the UK.

I knew they were partly funded by charitable donations but not to the extent...it's an absolute scandal

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:49

Well I was at work and the whole office voted as we were sitting in the same room.
We do have no work Friday afternoons though
We were watching the live debate …..
Appreciate many will be at work
Also appreciate those that aren’t at work may ( at the moment ) be those more affected by the decision in the nearer future.

SockFluffInTheBath · 29/11/2024 16:50

Dulra · 29/11/2024 16:25

I think their concern is not about having the choice that someone can freely take but a scenario where someone is guilted, coerced or feel they should make a certain choice.

I don’t think any of us want to see situations like that. It’s important to remember though that this would apply only to terminally ill people with less than 6 months left. This is not some far-right means to erase grannies and the disabled. There’s a lot of over-reaching and fear-mongering going on out there, and I’m glad parliament saw past that.

dollyop · 29/11/2024 16:50

Something this big should have had a hell of a lot more public consultation. It's been shockingly rushed.

Now if you agree with assisted suicide, you might think 'well, whatever, I agree with it so I don't care about that'.

But what about the next thing, that you're strongly opposed to, that goes straight to a Commons vote without any real scrutiny of how it'll work?

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:51

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:49

I knew they were partly funded by charitable donations but not to the extent...it's an absolute scandal

Agree.
End of life care should be fully funded. It is a disgrace!

SuperfluousHen · 29/11/2024 16:51

This is a sad day for the UK.

Without a doubt vulnerable people will be coerced to submit to the needle, on a promise of “dignity”.
Just awful.

Slothtoes · 29/11/2024 16:52

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:05

You've made dozens of posts saying the same thing.

Why are you so invested in this? Are you worried your family wants to get rid of you?

You’re not the thread police to tell anyone what they can and can’t have views about. And that’s a horrible post. You have no idea what’s going in other peoples’ lives.

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:53

This is a great day for the UK

Parliament represented public opinion on this matter successfully.

Democracy working.

Littlemissgobby · 29/11/2024 16:53

I don't know if anybody actually watched the debate, but you would have seen that this is gonna take over 2 years.
Because they are going to have to put it into a consultation period where they need to speak to experts and amend stuff.
Then bring it back to Parliament, to be voted again, and to be put into an act. This isn't going to take just a few months, this is going to take years to sort out.

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:53

SockFluffInTheBath · 29/11/2024 16:50

I don’t think any of us want to see situations like that. It’s important to remember though that this would apply only to terminally ill people with less than 6 months left. This is not some far-right means to erase grannies and the disabled. There’s a lot of over-reaching and fear-mongering going on out there, and I’m glad parliament saw past that.

These are the parameters being discussed now...but I don't think it's beyond imagination that they will widen.

Littlemissgobby · 29/11/2024 16:54

dollyop · 29/11/2024 16:50

Something this big should have had a hell of a lot more public consultation. It's been shockingly rushed.

Now if you agree with assisted suicide, you might think 'well, whatever, I agree with it so I don't care about that'.

But what about the next thing, that you're strongly opposed to, that goes straight to a Commons vote without any real scrutiny of how it'll work?

It's not being rushed, it's going to take over 2 years of consultations.
And experts before they bring it back to be debated again.

MrsSchrute · 29/11/2024 16:55

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:53

This is a great day for the UK

Parliament represented public opinion on this matter successfully.

Democracy working.

This is a very sad day

Littlemissgobby · 29/11/2024 16:57

MrsSchrute · 29/11/2024 16:55

This is a very sad day

Well, I'll tell you what, after listening to the stories today about one gentleman who was a vomiting for 5 hours, straight of his own fecal matter.I'm telling you, now it's not a sad day

D23456789 · 29/11/2024 16:58

Pleased with the outcome of today's vote.

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:58

MrsSchrute · 29/11/2024 16:55

This is a very sad day

It was a sad day for many when denying Christianity became legal.

user6476897654 · 29/11/2024 16:59

BibbityBobbityToo · 29/11/2024 16:36

From a selfish perspective, all I want is the comfort of knowing that if I am terminally ill and in such great pain that modern pain relief doesn't help, I can decide to opt out and not suffer unimaginable pain for the last few weeks of my life.

Exactly this.
I don't think many people will actually use AD, but the comfort of knowing that its there as an option will be a great relief to many.
If you don’t want to, then don’t. It’s not going to be compulsory!

Vaxtable · 29/11/2024 16:59

I don’t get the hysteria around this and the comments about being killed off.

It works in other countries. And from what I have read here it needs permission of two drs and a high court judge, and you have to only have 6 months to live, ( although I am not sure how that would work out as people are told 6 months and are here much longer!)

someone I know looked after her mother who, despite the highest pain relief she could have, screamed in pain every time she was moved, which was needed to stop bed sores, and who wanted to die, why would you put someone through that?

The time I would be concerned is if they start to water the bill down, but I am comfortable with the proposed guidelines at the moment.

MitochondriaUnited · 29/11/2024 17:00

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:41

I think a public vote of some sort or at least full consultation would be a better approach
MPs aren’t well known for making the right choices and they have had only a couple of weeks ( 17days I think ) to read the bill.
MPs should be acting on behalf of the electorates choices, not against them.
We are not living in a dictatorship although informed argument is always relevant of course
Listening to everyone is important

More importantly , MPs voted with their heart. They voted remembering the deaths they’ve witnessed.
They didn’t vote with their heads. What’s doctors experiences around death/DNR etc…
They didn’t vite around the profound ethical dilemma that introducing a law that promotes death and suicide will have on society. A huge change from one that has always (until Covid at least) maintained that life was the most important.

This is a law that should have been Gping through a really rigorous process, seeing how complex it is and how deep the implications if it are.

It hasn’t and has been voted on emotion instead. That, in itself, is a really bad move (but perhaps not surprising seeing the way politics has gone)

Littlemissgobby · 29/11/2024 17:02

I was actually shocked how close it was 330 versus 275