Assisted Dying Bill tomorrow.

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I really hope this goes ahead.

I'm from a family who die from cancer. It's a genetic thing. Over the years I've watched numerous loved ones die from this cruel and ravaging disease. It has taken a massive toll on us. From PTSD to immense guilt, complicated grief and fear of the future.

Not all of my family would have accessed Assisted Dying, but I know some did want it and requested it in the weeks / days leading to their death. They should have had the option of shortening their suffering. Having witnessed what they went through, I want that option for myself.

I want it for my mother. For the past 20 years she has told me when she wants out and how I will have to help her achieve it. I don't want to. She apologises for putting it on me. She shouldn't have to.

No one will be saved if this Bill is stopped, but fear and suffering will be reduced.

No law has been passed.

I think that’s a very different discussion. Allowing terminally ill people to choose to hasten their death is a world away from a third party being allowed to make that decision for a vulnerable person without capacity. I would expect a very different outcome for a vote on that.

Virtually every country where this is legal has expanded who is eligible for this.

I'm really worried about the implications that this has for all kinds of things. What will it mean for suicide prevention funding? Why should we be putting money into organisations that work to prevent suicide when we have said that in some situations the state will help you die? Why do we need to fund palliative care - seems like a luxury when you have the option of assisted dying.
The unintended consequences of this are going to be horrific.

The debate was a disgrace.

People were being emotionally coerced into this vote IMO with people telling their heart rending stories of deaths they’ve witnessed in order to sway people to their way of thinking.

A law like this needs to be based around facts alone, without bringing personal emotion into the equation.

Again, this Jerry Mandarin is ridiculous. Because Kim led better said that this act, particularly says terminal illness. obviously, if you're going to commit suicide because you have a mental health problem, this country will sort that out.

Exactly and as stats show DNRs issued by doctors go up with age of patient and are higher for women than men I do worry greatly about the lack of consultation.

Yes I would recommend a model such as the citizens assembly for complex emotive issues like this. It has worked very well in Ireland as part of the democratic process.

citizensassembly.ie/about/

So people suffering whike dying are not facts then yes it's emotion to but the facts are folks suffer

But it's not promoting suicide.

This isn't normal death from aging or a chronic condition.

This is death from a terminal illness.

There is an ocean between the two.

Is it obvious? Isn't your argument that this is all about free will and autonomy? So if someone with mental health problems who are you to say they can't? It's that discrimination.

As i've said above, it's going to be a further two years of consultations before it gets voted again plus it could even be extended longer than that.This is not a quick fix

@Vaxtable there is no hysteria going on.
But there is fear.
Fear the U.K. will do the same than Canada or the Netherland because laws aren’t fixed. They change all the time and, as far as I know, there is no reason why this wouldn’t happen here.
Because once you accept that doctors role can be to save lives but also to kill, then the boundary on who it is acceptable to let go/commit suicide etc… will change too.

Respectfully, I disagree. I think it’s important that we see the people in this, the experiences, and the reasons for tabling the bill. The facts are that in some cases terminally ill people are forced to drag out their days in pain. That’s not right.

Personally, I say go ahead, but this act isn't going to do that. It was stated. Do I think it doesn't go far? Enough no I think it should be for other illnesses too, but that is not what they have decided, so there we are

Sorry, I know this is a very serious matter, but Jerry Mandarin really made me laugh.

Me not being allowed that choice becaues very few people are going to be coerced and we can tighten the law on coercion.

Should we stop people driving because 1 person has been killed on the roads? If not, why not?

Which is better, millions of people being allowed to drive or one person not being killed on the roads?

I am sat in a cataract clinic. I can hardly see, so i'm using typing by speaking l o l

We choose to drive knowing there is a risk. Assisted dying risk is about simply being disabled or older, there is no choice. It is not comparable.

How many people will be coerced though, if any?

Which is better, millions of people being allowed to drive or one person not being killed on the roads?

@Littlemissgobby Hope your appointment goes well. Thanks for making me smile as I've had a rotten day.

That makes no sense.

As was stated by AM, P, why would you coerce when they've only got 6 months left? Anyway, it's not like you're gonna get much faster if you die now before the six months

It is suicide. But assisted suicide. There have always been people who have undertaken suicide as a result of terminal illnesses.

Having lost three parents/in laws, I am still ambivalent about the assisted dying question.

However, this is an appalling bill, it hasn't had anywhere near enough scrutiny and I'm concerned that it has been passed.

Leadbeater herself said that she thought that 'not wanting to be a burden' could be grounds for assisted dying and in my view that is already a very long way down the slippery slope. This is assisted dying - to prevent unbearable pain and suffering right at the end of life. It's not the same as assisted suicide.

It is assumed that killing people is easy. In Oregon where assisted dying is legal, there are cases where death has still taken hours or even days, because it is still not an exact science.

There is nowhere that has AD where it has not given rise to several extremely worrying cases, and it will do here too. Inevitably.

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