Assisted Dying Bill tomorrow.

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I really hope this goes ahead.

I'm from a family who die from cancer. It's a genetic thing. Over the years I've watched numerous loved ones die from this cruel and ravaging disease. It has taken a massive toll on us. From PTSD to immense guilt, complicated grief and fear of the future.

Not all of my family would have accessed Assisted Dying, but I know some did want it and requested it in the weeks / days leading to their death. They should have had the option of shortening their suffering. Having witnessed what they went through, I want that option for myself.

I want it for my mother. For the past 20 years she has told me when she wants out and how I will have to help her achieve it. I don't want to. She apologises for putting it on me. She shouldn't have to.

No one will be saved if this Bill is stopped, but fear and suffering will be reduced.

At least that was clear and to the point 😂😁

I very much doubt that the MPs will vote against the Bill ‘if they don’t like it’.
Yes on paper, that’s what will happen. In reality, They’d have to explain why they are removing the possibility to choose how you die to people.
They can’t now say ‘i said Yes but it was only if X and Y was put in place’. It’s never going to be acceptable by the public.

Well, if you watched a debate yesterday, it's exactly what many said, David Davis says that if the bill comes back and it looks like it's going down the Canada model, he would not vote for it.

MPs aren’t paid just to be vehicles for opinion polling to be enacted as law

Please have a look at the pods that have been invented...like mini gas chambers. Already been used apparently.

@Comedycook
your comments are just scaremongering and ridiculous

I've asked people to look up suicide pods and they can make their own minds up about what they think of them....

What has this got to do with the assisted dying bill? Which is only in principle, it’s going to take years of consultation.

It's the future that worries me....my fear is the parameters will widen. In the Netherlands a woman with anorexia was euthanised. And how do we know if we legalise ad, that decades down the line, different methods won't be introduced. It's very naive to think things won't change.

I dint think anyone think the Bill will come out looking like Canada. But a Bill wo sufficient safeguarding? Hell yes. You just have to look at the last 10~15 years to see how laws are brought for one use, not tight enough and then used for other causes.

As for being sure they’d vote against it.
When? In a year’s time. Or In 10 years down the line when people will adjusted to the idea of AD for those who have only 6 months to live and others will have said how unfair it is fir them not to get it because they don’t fit the criteria?

No one in Canada or the Netherland and Belgium ever voted for the law thinking it would be widened the way it has been. What makes anyone think the U.K. is so special than the same thing will not happen?

You’ve made it clear you’re opposed to the assisted dying bill, please try to understand not everyone feels the same way as you do.
Of course everyone has a right to an opinion, however your comments have overloaded the thread, commenting about mini gas chambers, is scaremongering not relevant to the assisted dying bill @Comedycook

Im allowed to oppose it and I'm allowed to comment on my fears...afteral I am a citizen of this country and I don't want the government to have any power to end or assist in the ending of my life. You can say, oh it will be your choice...but will a doctor be allowed to suggest it to me if I receive a terminal diagnosis or will I have to specifically ask... because I do not want when I'm vulnerable and terrified a medic suggesting this to me.

The idea we're supposed to welcome this in without question is pretty creepy

As am l a citizen of the UK, however l don’t believe in constantly pushing my opinions and scaremongering.Will agree to disagree with you @Comedycook

It’s perfectly ok to be concerned about this.
Looking at DNR. A doctor can decide on this without your permission.
So there’s no reason to just assume things won’t move on in whatever direction with the AD bill.
Perfectly valid concerns for the future @Comedycook

We are not supposed to welcome it without question. It won't come into practice for around two years, such is the level of planning involved in implementation. Nobody's suddenly going to be suggesting death to anyone.

It's an incredibly serious aspect though...once you are given a diagnosis...will this be suggested to you? If so, how? And this is the thing, once you allow this, we are suddenly left so vulnerable...

So at the moment the proposal is for over 18s with a terminal diagnosis of six months.

Right

Can you now envision that years down the line,they increase this to a terminal diagnosis of a year?

Can you envision that they then extend this to those experiencing unbearable physical suffering?

Can you envision that they then extend this to those experiencing unbearable mental illness?

Can you envision that they then extend this to those without mental capacity?

Can you envision that they then extend this to include those aged 16-18?

Just wondering if parents could take it to court as it’s age discrimination. It wouldn’t surprise me.

Wouldn't surprise me either...once you open the door to this, you can't close it.

It will not be suggested to anyone. It is on self request.

@Comedycook I appreciate your highlighting what we're sleepwalking into. Even if I am overall pro assisted dying I find it alarming that we're doing things in this order. The questions should be 1) Can the state kill its citizens (currently it can't under any circumstances) 2) Does the state have a duty to prevent suicide of its citizens (currently it does).

Those should really be the first things signed off before detailing how many professionals and what type need to sign the forms. Will it invalidate life assurance if a person uses assisted dying? Will people be given medical assistance if they attempt suicide or present at A&E with suicidal thoughts or be allowed to crack on? Would a life term prison sentence be required anymore when we can assist them in dying cheaper. I'm happy we're having the conversation but surprised no one is highlighting the core changes we would be making.

Yes, thank you. Even if someone is in favour of this, there are just so many issues that need to be discussed...that's not paranoia, just being sensible.

My answer is no. I saw my dad die of cancer and at times struggle (briefly in seconds) with his breathing, but I know his answer would have been in Gods time. I agree with that, no question, end off. As did my dad. Not up for debate by the way…..

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-brendan-oneill-show/id1436524071?i=1000678553825

This podcast is good to hear the details of what is actually being proposed. I can’t imagine anyone would still be fully behind it having heard some of the details.

"Palliative care doctor Lucy Thomas says she's not against assisted dying in principle, but is deeply concerned by the approach of this bill. She says people think it's about relieving pain and suffering, but that in this bill doctors will be required to help someone end their life "just because they have a terminal illness".
"There's nothing at all in this bill about pain and suffering, and there's no requirement that the patient be experiencing pain and suffering," Thomas says."

BBC news app, today.

And there we have it.

No surprises there then.
I think many of us knew this is what it was all about.
Saving nhs money, that’s all!

Yes, I agree. Partly because it’s for cost savings by fast tracking the probably terminally ill to death regardless of any pain/suffering they might be having or not AND also because the reality of assisted dying is that it is not painless and not without suffering.

AD is opting for short term acute pain & suffering 6-30hrs to die in stead of for an unknown length of pain & suffering until death or instead of the pain & suffering of treatment and surviving.

Most patients accessing AD have cancer. I have read so many cases of cancer patients given 2 months to live and after deciding to fight it anyway, they are declared cancer free a year later and living their best life a decade later. It’s not their decision to fight the cancer that beat it, it’s the fact that even the most expert doctor can’t always predict if you are terminal and how much time you have left.