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Assisted Dying Bill tomorrow.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 28/11/2024 20:21

I really hope this goes ahead.

I'm from a family who die from cancer. It's a genetic thing. Over the years I've watched numerous loved ones die from this cruel and ravaging disease. It has taken a massive toll on us. From PTSD to immense guilt, complicated grief and fear of the future.

Not all of my family would have accessed Assisted Dying, but I know some did want it and requested it in the weeks / days leading to their death. They should have had the option of shortening their suffering. Having witnessed what they went through, I want that option for myself.

I want it for my mother. For the past 20 years she has told me when she wants out and how I will have to help her achieve it. I don't want to. She apologises for putting it on me. She shouldn't have to.

No one will be saved if this Bill is stopped, but fear and suffering will be reduced.

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Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:16

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:15

Thank god for that

You're not in favour of people being allowed to express their opinions? You're coming across well here

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:18

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IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:18

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 15:58

How selfish... don't they know the NHS is on its knees ..why would you want to live...look at you taking up a precious NHS bed when you're going to die anyway. I'm fed up of my taxes paying to keep people who are going to die anyway....

This is our future ..

But I want the choice to be able to say that I don't want to take up an nhs bed when I feel that is is my time to die.

Why can't I have that right? Just because you are happy to take up a bed (and that is your right), why can't I have my opinion? Or is only your opinion allowed?

You sound like a dictator. You do you and I will do me.

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:21

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:18

But I want the choice to be able to say that I don't want to take up an nhs bed when I feel that is is my time to die.

Why can't I have that right? Just because you are happy to take up a bed (and that is your right), why can't I have my opinion? Or is only your opinion allowed?

You sound like a dictator. You do you and I will do me.

Comedy is being ‘attacked’ for having an opinion that differs from another’s.
Everyone can have an opinion without any need for name calling, thanks MNHQ
Everyones opinion is valid

Dontcallmescarface · 29/11/2024 16:22

SuperfluousHen · 29/11/2024 16:06

Isn’t it incredible. What happened to first do no harm. UK has fallen badly.

Is insisting someone dies a horrible death and not allowing them to die with dignity "doing no harm"?

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:23

@StandingSideBySide

The can have all the opinions they want. They're not going to be able to dictate to people how they die, and that's the main thing.

Dulra · 29/11/2024 16:25

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:18

But I want the choice to be able to say that I don't want to take up an nhs bed when I feel that is is my time to die.

Why can't I have that right? Just because you are happy to take up a bed (and that is your right), why can't I have my opinion? Or is only your opinion allowed?

You sound like a dictator. You do you and I will do me.

I think their concern is not about having the choice that someone can freely take but a scenario where someone is guilted, coerced or feel they should make a certain choice.

SuperfluousHen · 29/11/2024 16:26

Dontcallmescarface · 29/11/2024 16:22

Is insisting someone dies a horrible death and not allowing them to die with dignity "doing no harm"?

There are two huge assumptions here.

  1. that a natural death with current pain meds & sedation is always “horrible”.
  2. that being killed by a doctor is always “dignified”.
WinterCrow · 29/11/2024 16:27

Comedycook · 29/11/2024 16:07

No...just the government

What's your MP's position on this?

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:27

SuperfluousHen · 29/11/2024 16:26

There are two huge assumptions here.

  1. that a natural death with current pain meds & sedation is always “horrible”.
  2. that being killed by a doctor is always “dignified”.

No, they're not making those assumptions.

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:29

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:23

@StandingSideBySide

The can have all the opinions they want. They're not going to be able to dictate to people how they die, and that's the main thing.

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People Have a right to their own opinions without being insulted, called a dictator etc.
This is a discussion.
Noneed for offensive remarks on either side of the debate

AutumnLeaves1990 · 29/11/2024 16:29

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 15:48

What is wrong with that.

Would you rather have a painful death, if so you are welcome to one.

This is why this way of thinking is wrong!! Just because you have an assisted death,doesn't mean it won't be painful.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/11/2024 16:29

SuperfluousHen · 29/11/2024 16:26

There are two huge assumptions here.

  1. that a natural death with current pain meds & sedation is always “horrible”.
  2. that being killed by a doctor is always “dignified”.

You are seeing assumptions that are not there. There is no always about assisted death. It is personal to the individual and their condition.

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TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:30

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:29

People Have a right to their own opinions without being insulted, called a dictator etc.
This is a discussion.
Noneed for offensive remarks on either side of the debate

People have a right to choose their death also

Thankfully we've made a step in the right direction today

MedicineHat · 29/11/2024 16:31

Knockmealdowns · 28/11/2024 21:01

I'm concerned about this bill in many ways, and as a healthcare educator. I don’t want to see this go through. The first rule of healthcare to do no harm and I cannot ever imagine asking a colleague to go to the drugs press to take out some medication that is actually going to cause the death of a client. I think it would cause immense emotional and psychological distress to healthcare workers. Furthermore medical advances are happening all of the time and what’s the terminal disease now, may not always be so . Furthermore unexpected death within six months doesn’t always turn out to be that way which many of us who work in healthcare have witnessed. I’ve seen patients survive less time or more time. Death is never predictable. I think more money should be invested in a palliative care and it’s associated research to make people as comfortable and pain-free as possible with the best quality of life they can for the duration of their natural life. Also, I am worried that if the bill, with its current restrictions is introduced, that over time it will be extended and I’m very concerned that if it into areas such as mental health that it could be detrimental for many people and their families. This has been the experience of other countries, where the remit of the legislation has been extended over time. I do not make my points likely as I have cared for and witnessed many people suffering illness, and have done my utmost to ease their distress, with the best drugs, medical support and care strategies I know.

Healthcare providers already knowingly take actions near the end of a person's life to make them comfortable that may also cause them to die. They are fully aware of the potential dual outcomes. If you are not, you shouldn't be educating them.

Examples of such actions include administering morphine or turning someone to a different position. Their primary intent is to make someone comfortable however they are fone in the full knowledge that they may cause someone to die.

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:32

AutumnLeaves1990 · 29/11/2024 16:29

This is why this way of thinking is wrong!! Just because you have an assisted death,doesn't mean it won't be painful.

Exactly and that a non assisted death is always horrible.
An awful lot of generalised assumptions on here …..

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:32

Dulra · 29/11/2024 16:25

I think their concern is not about having the choice that someone can freely take but a scenario where someone is guilted, coerced or feel they should make a certain choice.

But everyone is concerned by this. Does @Comedycook think she is the only one?

Nothing is fool proof, but we can only do our best to stop that happening.

I don't want anyone to be killed on the roads but I am not saying that driving should be banned.

TheTidyBear · 29/11/2024 16:33

AutumnLeaves1990 · 29/11/2024 16:29

This is why this way of thinking is wrong!! Just because you have an assisted death,doesn't mean it won't be painful.

That's fine, at least we'll get the choice, rather than being dictated to.

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:35

Forgot to post this image.
From bbc survey
61% against !

Assisted Dying Bill tomorrow.
IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:36

AutumnLeaves1990 · 29/11/2024 16:29

This is why this way of thinking is wrong!! Just because you have an assisted death,doesn't mean it won't be painful.

No, but it won't go on for months. I am happy to have pain for a short time but not months.

BibbityBobbityToo · 29/11/2024 16:36

From a selfish perspective, all I want is the comfort of knowing that if I am terminally ill and in such great pain that modern pain relief doesn't help, I can decide to opt out and not suffer unimaginable pain for the last few weeks of my life.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:37

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:35

Forgot to post this image.
From bbc survey
61% against !

So pleased that the MPs didn't listen to them.

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:41

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:37

So pleased that the MPs didn't listen to them.

I think a public vote of some sort or at least full consultation would be a better approach
MPs aren’t well known for making the right choices and they have had only a couple of weeks ( 17days I think ) to read the bill.
MPs should be acting on behalf of the electorates choices, not against them.
We are not living in a dictatorship although informed argument is always relevant of course
Listening to everyone is important

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/11/2024 16:43

StandingSideBySide · 29/11/2024 16:41

I think a public vote of some sort or at least full consultation would be a better approach
MPs aren’t well known for making the right choices and they have had only a couple of weeks ( 17days I think ) to read the bill.
MPs should be acting on behalf of the electorates choices, not against them.
We are not living in a dictatorship although informed argument is always relevant of course
Listening to everyone is important

But I doubt you would be saying that if the MPs had rejected the bill.