Thread 12 Starmer: From Prescott to Rayner, working class grit

[DuncinToffee]

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IKR?

Do your friends realise 5 months isn't a reasonable answer to that question? Are your friends prepared to give it the duration of a parliament without whinging?

Sunak and chums were blathering on about the 2008 global financial crash in 2014, so I'd say 16 years ?

The last paragraph of the response to the 2022 petition is amusing given a month later Truss resigned.

petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/619781

Don't know, but a wood chipper might help ?

16 years you say.

Hang on, let me do the maths.

Yeah, honestly not keen on sticking around to see what will be left of the UK then.

Would you be willing to accept a one-term Labour Govt? Lame duck before their first anniversary.

Seems reasonable, no?

They should copy and paste that - except add why it was elected.

I am sure people can add their own reasons why it was elected.

This with bells on.

Funny - there were posts from a certain cohort saying people were going to leave the country if labour got in. I really don't mind if those people choose to go and live somewhere else. Perhaps somewhere with a more right wing government. Then they can leave the rest of us to see if this government can sort out the crap. They're doing a decent job in lots of areas so far. Not bad for 5 months even if the WFA was badly done.

You know all the things you are talking about here were caused by the last government, right? People don’t get tired quite this quickly. On ‘betterment’ you are talking nonsense. Look at the aspiration shown by, say, Streeting and Rayner to better their situation (not ‘themselves’ - they were the same people before). How can you say they hate aspiration?

I wonder how Musk would react if someone gave him that response - do you think he'd even read it or would he just assume it was the response to the current petition?

It is all predictable stuff and I would never expect any less from the mainstream media who were relatively idle on the last election. The narrative was that Labour were going to win, they didn’t really ask the questions that might have been if they looked at Labour’s manifesto.

Yes they will go for all the cheap panto stuff like Clarkson and Farage but the problem is that this sideshow is only useful when your preferred people are in power. What is the point now? They have a hard faced Labour PM who doesn’t give a damn. He’s pretty well said so.

If he messes up he will be evicted like the last lot - but I don’t think petitions, Jeremy Clarkson, agitated Telegraph readers, farmers, rumours of homosexual scandals (surely some sort of nadir reached by MN posters on that), insufficient respect paid to golf clubs, pictures of Thatcher and Rachel Reeves is going to do it. It’s piffle.

Anyone remember the Tory's wanting to ban protest.

Oh - except when they turn up with a banner to one

Incidentally, is ‘grit’ solely the preserve of the ‘working class’?

Can the rest of us not also possess ‘grit’?

A little inverse snobbery here, perhaps.

"If he messes up he will be evicted like the last lot - but I don’t think petitions, Jeremy Clarkson, agitated Telegraph readers, farmers, rumours of homosexual scandals (surely some sort of nadir reached by MN posters on that), insufficient respect paid to golf clubs, pictures of Thatcher and Rachel Reeves is going to do it. It’s piffle."

Pretty sure the nadir has not yet been reached.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/drink-spiking-will-be-made-a-criminal-offence-as-part-of-labour-bid-to-protect-women-and-girls_uk_674338b9e4b0e9a7ff51accd

Yes, was just listening to the radio abput the anti-drink spiking actions. No doubt some will find a way to criticise it.

I thought it was one of the most pathetic smears I have ever read on here. The faintly salacious and bizarrely prurient rumours on the politics board were a massive correction to the idea that this is based on reasonable debate.

Yes, it was vile and some posters really showed themselves up on it. I think it was eventually zapped.

A dose of John Crace

The disposable society. And a day out with the CBI

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/25/two-million-voters-already-think-keir-starmers-team-should-be-relegated

You're right. Someone used it as proof KS is a liar because drink spiking is already illegal. If only we had a PM who knew something about the law, huh?

Full Fact might be useful

https://fullfact.org/live/2024/nov/spiking-laws/

Chancellor Rachel Reeves has told businesses she is "not coming back with more borrowing or more taxes" as she defended the tax rises on businesses announced in the Budget.
Reeves told the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) conference that despite "a lot of feedback" on her tax and spending plans, she had not heard many alternatives.
Her comments come after the boss of biscuit giant McVitie's warned it was "becoming harder to understand" the case for investing in the UK after the Chancellor's decisions.
BBC

Panto season has evidently started early, with Pinocchio….

Straight to BBC Comments, with this top.

and still they won't listen.
Tax revenue went up when the Tories dropped NI. A calculation not part of their supposed blackhole.
Stop spending on nonessential policies until the country can afford it.
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That's so helpful, thank you @DuncinToffee

Yes thanks Duncin. Always helpful to provide links!

Second most popular comment on the above BBC piece.

The amount of tax we pay is painful.

The amount of money taken from us far exceeds the value we get back in return.

A huge amount of our work is eaten up by having to service a humongous debt, that money lost is money that would be improving our quality of life.

The question needs to be asked why we keep on getting into debt, who keeps allowing this and who is profiting from it. It's not on.
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