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What is elon musk problem with Britain?

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Littlemissgobby · 21/11/2024 17:18

Why the fuck is he attacking our gov decisions like inheritance tax on farms? He seems obsessed with Britain ever since the riots . Also can you imagine if sir Allan sugar was posting stuff about American gov policy like Elon musk is.
All because he’s been summoned about disinformation on X That led to the riots.
is he just a right wing twat? He’s gonna have to pipe down if America wants us to be on their side if I was labour I would be getting so annoyed .
side note I sit left centre but Peter Mandelson licking boots of Elon and trump is a piss take.
maybe we are going to have to move closer to Europe as America is unhinged by the sounds of Elon .

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/21/musk-to-summon-british-mps-to-the-us-to-explain-threats-to-american-citizens-uk-riots

Elon Musk to ‘summon MPs to US to explain threats to American citizens’

World’s richest man responds to UK parliamentarians saying they will call him to testify about X’s role in spreading disinformation during riots

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/21/musk-to-summon-british-mps-to-the-us-to-explain-threats-to-american-citizens-uk-riots

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PandoraSox · 22/11/2024 10:52

hamstersarse · 22/11/2024 10:35

I genuinely think people would be happy for that to happen.

Even though Starmer has proved himself to be a shady fucker, they would trust him to control what information we see.

It's genuinely incredulous

If Starmer bans Twitter I will donate £50 to a charity of your choice. Never going to happen.

AlisonDonut · 22/11/2024 10:55

Littlemissgobby · 22/11/2024 10:25

Do you know what’s really funny? Is a guy that likes freedom of speech all he ever does is block people that disagrees with him he doesn’t want freedom of speech for everybody. He just wants freedom of speech for the right wing viewpoints and at the end of the day Right there is free speech but there’s free speech with responsibility. People want to go back to a time where they can be racist, et cetera well you know what we’re not going back.

He blocks but he doesn't ban.

That's the point.

Daysnconfuddled · 22/11/2024 10:59

Not sure name calling works that well anymore, ironically, kind of childish.

GivememyowlbackSandra · 22/11/2024 11:17

The fall out between Trump and Elon will be something else, and it will happen. 2 HUGE ego's, at some point it's going to be explosive!!!

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 22/11/2024 11:27

Odd - when you say Twitter/X will soon be ‘populated by bots and incels’

Hugely disrespectful I would say.

Alphaalga · 22/11/2024 11:28

DiggetyDog · 22/11/2024 07:08

What people don’t seem to realise is that by using Orwellian methods to shut down opinions will only drive people to believe Musk et al because the left is doing exactly what an authoritarian regime would do.
This approach has directly led to Trump’s landslide - whether his victory stands the test of time or not.
I think at this point we need to ask ourselves what we want in the future, because right now it’s looking like a Farage kind of future as more and more people are pushed away from the left.

I don’t like the tactics from the left or the right, but the whole attempts at censorship from the left is chilling. There isn’t just one view, misinformation is being used as a tool to shut down opinion and valuable discussion, and by doing so drives the discussion into conspiracy theory territory as the shut down does little but confirm that you’re not allowed to speak about certain things without being ridiculed and insulted.

There’s a balance to be had for sure, but for every Musk posting bollocks on the internet there’s an Orwellian fuelled campaign to stop these pesky wrong-think opinions.

We live in a polarised world. Using authoritarian tactics will not change this, only make things worse, and will send more people into the opportunistic but welcoming arms of Nigel Farage. I hope I’m proved wrong but you can literally see it happening. Musk is a dick but he has a point and we should be careful how we handle things.

Pffff, no. Calling out liars who subvert democracy by posting absolute garbage in short bursts, easily absorbed by idiots, in gutter-press media headlines and social media platforms, isn't authoritarianism.

It's protecting the right to expect democratic process to be fit for purpose and safe to engage with, just as warnings on electrical products are there to stop people getting zapped.

To refer to that as "Orwellian methods to shut down opinion" and then try to tout it as "misinformation being used as a tool to shut down opinion and valuable discussion" is indicative of someone who just got off a Waltzer and thinks it's cured their vertigo.

peanutbuttertoasty · 22/11/2024 11:30

It clashes with the misinformation the government is spreading through the BBC

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2024 11:31

Censorship causes its own issues, but we don't like to talk about that and who has the power to make those decisions and why they are making those decisions. Censorship can lead to backlashes and mistrust. It can lead to fundamental injustice and large scale scandals in which people are harmed and those in power or positions of responsibility are protected. There are also issues with governments trying to impose censorship, and how this might impact on other countries with different laws.

There is an overall need for transparency and discussion of this. We are lacking in this.

We need to accept a few fundamental things as part of this:
a) international cooperation
b) an understanding of conflicts between law enforcement and freedom of speech (should someone in India be free to say something thhe government dislikes if its whistleblowing government corruption? Does this fall under our more traditional understanding of protecting journalists which are protected in the UK and US?)
c) how governments might try and use censorship to stop discussion of subjects they don't like OUTSIDE their borders.
d) how poor communication skills and verbalisation, doesn't mean someone doesn't have a fundamental point and if you insist that all arguments are articulate, shiney and polished you tend to restrict debate to certain social classes to the exclusion of others.
e) That it is impossible to fully ban toxicity. It is a task which is unrealistic and impossible to stop someone willing to merely create another dozen accounts, simply because of sheer weight of numbers and time considerations.
f) Efforts should be made in areas where there is the broadest social consensus of wrong doing; call this 'universal ideas' if you will. These should be prioritised. This is where censorship SHOULD be used.
g) The understanding that, policing and censorship does not stop people from having 'bad ideas'. You risk weaponising and amplifying by banning. Barbara Streisand knows this well. Frank Goes To Hollywood know this well. When you ban you need to understand the unintended consequences of doing this.
h) If someone has an unpleasant opinion, they will voice it somewhere. There are so many places they can do this. You risk driving individuals more underground if they fell disenfrashised - this risks exposure to worse stuff. Enforcement is way behind the curve of technology - theres lots to be said for keeping it in sight. Then merely being on other more underground sites raises bigger questions from the off, about intent.
i) The idea that we need Musk's help for enforcement is wrong. Just over a 1000 people have been charged in connection with the riots over the summer. 100 of them have been charged in relation to online content. Question: Why are we blaming Musk for the inactions of the police who haven't tackled a lot of this before, when they clearly do have the ability to? This says something about policing priorities and police resources.
j) Engagement WITH Musk to broach some of these issues and problems in a grown up fashion is helpful.
k) Its arguably not for Musk to resolve public conflicts over differences of opinion. We should be doing this all by ourselves - twitter is not the only place to have conversations - I'd argue that pinch points highlight areas that politicians have failed in, in various ways. Twitter is NOT a public space either. It is a privately owned space.

I could go on.

Its such a complex area.

I generally think censorship should be as light touch as you can, for all these reasons. And shoul only be about criminality which is broadly accepted.

Personally, I don't find twitter a problem. I use it as a read only newsstream. I have a broad spectrum of accounts with different views. I only use the tab to view accounts I follow. I take replies with a pinch of salt. Its not my thing to post on it. Its still useful though.

RayonSunrise · 22/11/2024 11:32

Musk has a towering but fragile ego, and the U.K. isn't bending over for him so he's using his "thumb on the scales of free speech" platform to slag us all off. (Yes, "us" - Britons, for voting for this government.)

This is part of the ongoing degradation of American culture. They don't have a concept of diplomacy anymore, just edgelord ranting and "owning" people they have minor disagreements with. Note he doesn't run around slagging off Xi or Putin...

AlisonDonut · 22/11/2024 11:34

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 22/11/2024 11:27

Odd - when you say Twitter/X will soon be ‘populated by bots and incels’

Hugely disrespectful I would say.

They have all left X and gone to bluesky.

They were all over X before Elon bought it.

PandoraSox · 22/11/2024 11:35

I think it used to be a useful source of information @redtoothbrush but a lot of the interesting Tweeters (of various political hues) have started to leave or don't post any longer.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2024 11:42

PandoraSox · 22/11/2024 11:35

I think it used to be a useful source of information @redtoothbrush but a lot of the interesting Tweeters (of various political hues) have started to leave or don't post any longer.

And lots still do.

Maybe those that leave should realise that in abandoning twitter they don't solve anything and instead they are creating problems and making them worse too.

I still think it's useful. It hasn't passed its sell by date yet.

Alphaalga · 22/11/2024 11:49

CelebrityLeftist · 22/11/2024 10:15

He used to vote Democrat until it understandably became untenable. I’d love to see your definition of “right wing”. I don’t think you understand how much Starlink has helped connect the world including in disaster zones. The more people use Musk as an easy target the more I’m convinced they don’t know what they’re talking about and have likely been spoon fed by the usual suspects.

I'd love to see your definition of the Overton window. I don't think you understand the difference between share-bankrolling under paid advice and active involvement in developing products and processes.

Musk bought Twitter to spoon-feed people like you his own brand of misinformation under the guise of "fixing" the previous version.

Do yourself a favour, watch Don't Look Up and ask yourself which one's Musk.

Alphaalga · 22/11/2024 12:07

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2024 11:31

Censorship causes its own issues, but we don't like to talk about that and who has the power to make those decisions and why they are making those decisions. Censorship can lead to backlashes and mistrust. It can lead to fundamental injustice and large scale scandals in which people are harmed and those in power or positions of responsibility are protected. There are also issues with governments trying to impose censorship, and how this might impact on other countries with different laws.

There is an overall need for transparency and discussion of this. We are lacking in this.

We need to accept a few fundamental things as part of this:
a) international cooperation
b) an understanding of conflicts between law enforcement and freedom of speech (should someone in India be free to say something thhe government dislikes if its whistleblowing government corruption? Does this fall under our more traditional understanding of protecting journalists which are protected in the UK and US?)
c) how governments might try and use censorship to stop discussion of subjects they don't like OUTSIDE their borders.
d) how poor communication skills and verbalisation, doesn't mean someone doesn't have a fundamental point and if you insist that all arguments are articulate, shiney and polished you tend to restrict debate to certain social classes to the exclusion of others.
e) That it is impossible to fully ban toxicity. It is a task which is unrealistic and impossible to stop someone willing to merely create another dozen accounts, simply because of sheer weight of numbers and time considerations.
f) Efforts should be made in areas where there is the broadest social consensus of wrong doing; call this 'universal ideas' if you will. These should be prioritised. This is where censorship SHOULD be used.
g) The understanding that, policing and censorship does not stop people from having 'bad ideas'. You risk weaponising and amplifying by banning. Barbara Streisand knows this well. Frank Goes To Hollywood know this well. When you ban you need to understand the unintended consequences of doing this.
h) If someone has an unpleasant opinion, they will voice it somewhere. There are so many places they can do this. You risk driving individuals more underground if they fell disenfrashised - this risks exposure to worse stuff. Enforcement is way behind the curve of technology - theres lots to be said for keeping it in sight. Then merely being on other more underground sites raises bigger questions from the off, about intent.
i) The idea that we need Musk's help for enforcement is wrong. Just over a 1000 people have been charged in connection with the riots over the summer. 100 of them have been charged in relation to online content. Question: Why are we blaming Musk for the inactions of the police who haven't tackled a lot of this before, when they clearly do have the ability to? This says something about policing priorities and police resources.
j) Engagement WITH Musk to broach some of these issues and problems in a grown up fashion is helpful.
k) Its arguably not for Musk to resolve public conflicts over differences of opinion. We should be doing this all by ourselves - twitter is not the only place to have conversations - I'd argue that pinch points highlight areas that politicians have failed in, in various ways. Twitter is NOT a public space either. It is a privately owned space.

I could go on.

Its such a complex area.

I generally think censorship should be as light touch as you can, for all these reasons. And shoul only be about criminality which is broadly accepted.

Personally, I don't find twitter a problem. I use it as a read only newsstream. I have a broad spectrum of accounts with different views. I only use the tab to view accounts I follow. I take replies with a pinch of salt. Its not my thing to post on it. Its still useful though.

I don't want anyone censoring my right to inform any kind of idiot why they're stupid.

justasking111 · 22/11/2024 12:11

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 22/11/2024 11:27

Odd - when you say Twitter/X will soon be ‘populated by bots and incels’

Hugely disrespectful I would say.

I find it funny because two years ago people were complaining about twitter being full of lefties, bots and incels and were leaving in droves. Now it's alleged that it's full of far right, incels and bots and folks are leaving in droves. 😬

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 22/11/2024 12:15

AlisonDonut · 22/11/2024 11:34

They have all left X and gone to bluesky.

They were all over X before Elon bought it.

So, following that logic, a LW/liberal echo chamber?

Do LW bots/incels not exist @PandoraSox ?

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2024 12:17

justasking111 · 22/11/2024 12:11

I find it funny because two years ago people were complaining about twitter being full of lefties, bots and incels and were leaving in droves. Now it's alleged that it's full of far right, incels and bots and folks are leaving in droves. 😬

Whatever any platform does there's going to be people who don't like the editorial line.

justasking111 · 22/11/2024 12:19

I've just been into my account something I don't do much now retired. The accounts I follow haven't changed at all. It really depends who you follow.

PandoraSox · 22/11/2024 12:22

FT reports a drop in UK users since Musk took over:

What is elon musk problem with Britain?
noblegiraffe · 22/11/2024 12:23

Musk’s thing was saving humanity. So electric cars, solar roof tiles etc to try to save the environment. Getting humanity to Mars as a back-up escape route.

Now he is shacked up with a bloke who rips up climate agreements. Makes no sense.

AdviceNeeded2024 · 22/11/2024 12:37

GivememyowlbackSandra · 22/11/2024 11:17

The fall out between Trump and Elon will be something else, and it will happen. 2 HUGE ego's, at some point it's going to be explosive!!!

I cannot see how they will get along working together and I think the fall out will be epic. Just a question of when, not if. I give it 6-12 months 😂

justasking111 · 22/11/2024 12:39

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2024 12:23

Musk’s thing was saving humanity. So electric cars, solar roof tiles etc to try to save the environment. Getting humanity to Mars as a back-up escape route.

Now he is shacked up with a bloke who rips up climate agreements. Makes no sense.

Perhaps he can temper Trump.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 22/11/2024 12:51

PandoraSox · 22/11/2024 12:22

FT reports a drop in UK users since Musk took over:

Looks like Starmers personal approval rating.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2024 12:58

noblegiraffe · 22/11/2024 12:23

Musk’s thing was saving humanity. So electric cars, solar roof tiles etc to try to save the environment. Getting humanity to Mars as a back-up escape route.

Now he is shacked up with a bloke who rips up climate agreements. Makes no sense.

Teslas default to locking if the electrics fail.

This has resulted in a number of people being burnt alive when the electrics fail due to an electrical fire and they can't get out the car.

Also see issues in flash floods.

AlisonDonut · 22/11/2024 13:40

PandoraSox · 22/11/2024 12:22

FT reports a drop in UK users since Musk took over:

Or more people use VPNs to avoid UK jails.