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Why does the right wing nowadays blame everyone else for them being right wing?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 12/11/2024 00:33

Back when I was growing up and studying, one of the most important tenets of the right wing was Personal Responsibility.

Over the a very recent number of years it seems the right have ceded this, blaming centrists and the left for their failures, their successes and even for them becoming right wing at all. Labour being to blame for 14 years of Tory incompetence, including the Trans shitshow. Mean strangers on the internet being to blame for Brexit. The Marxist international money markets being to blame for Liz Truss's disastrous economic event. The BBC. The Civil Service. Feminists. Human rights courts.

No responsibility from the right themselves. Just blame and excuses. Even the overwhelming success of Donald Trump is being blamed on the left, the Democrats and even Kamala Harris personally. Did Trump and the Republicans not run a better campaign and win on their merits?

What has happened to the right?

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XChrome · 14/11/2024 23:26

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/11/2024 23:04

Do you think it's that the right whingers just don't understand politics, history or even language anymore? Confused

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You mean they once did?

username7891 · 14/11/2024 23:51

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/11/2024 23:04

Do you think it's that the right whingers just don't understand politics, history or even language anymore? Confused

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I think that some of them either don't understand the language they are using or want to distance themselves from the far right.

They are deflecting by accusing the left of being more right wing than them. The left are now the far left irrespective of where they stand.

Another common argument is that there's no such thing as left or right and language changes. Ergo far left fascists.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 15/11/2024 00:13

It's all a bit 1984 isn't it? 2+2=5 if I say it does. Identitarianism is left wing. Facism is left wing. Although I've no doubt that @FOJN Will come back and explain what they meant.

Mangling language makes communication so difficult, doesn't it?

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JHound · 02/03/2025 02:51

I don’t know but I find it pathetic (as well as clearly being untrue.)

JHound · 02/03/2025 02:53

XChrome · 12/11/2024 04:19

I agree. It's less about economic equality and more about woke mania.
The left needs to get back to what it used to stand for. Losing the working class because they're more concerned about appeasing the gen Zers with identity politics was a foolish move. I'd say these parties deserve what they get for doing that, but nobody deserves to lose to the likes of Trump.

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What do you mean by “Woke”?

JHound · 02/03/2025 02:59

RamblingEclectic · 14/11/2024 10:56

That's not a very recent explanation, at least not in the US, the rhetoric that people have moved right because the left abandoned and dismissed them (usually working class people living in the middle of the US) or that the left has moved farther left and more elite, leaving people who were left then politically with the right, has been around since for decades, at least. It was used to explain W Bush's victory, to explain the growing election divide between cities and rural areas, to explain why some Midwest and Plains states went from swing/battleground states to deep Republican strongholds that they weren't in the 90s that cannot be explained by any demographic shift.

And this argument as others mentioned is largely used by people politically on the left or more centre than by people firmly on the right. This time it's being used to explain the significant shift in the Latino and Mestizo vote that went majority Republican by people who mostly aren't on the right and are a uncomfortable with the rhetoric that tries to dismiss election results as simply racism and anti-immigrant for obvious reasons.

The right is arguing that they got those vote on their own merit and arguments, that the Latino and Mestizo vote support their policies (some of which are nearly identical to what Obama did and Hilary Clinton ran with back in 2016), it's the left and centre mostly arguing that it's because the Democrats failed them, particularly Harris as border czar. The right may bring up Harris's failure there are part of why the Democrats can't be trusted - and how the Biden administration did this year admit the issue that they would somehow solve if re-elected - but pointing out the other party's failures is typical politics and isn't blaming them for the victory.

“Latino and Mestizo vote” whut?

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