Why does the right wing nowadays blame everyone else for them being right wing?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

Back when I was growing up and studying, one of the most important tenets of the right wing was Personal Responsibility.

Over the a very recent number of years it seems the right have ceded this, blaming centrists and the left for their failures, their successes and even for them becoming right wing at all. Labour being to blame for 14 years of Tory incompetence, including the Trans shitshow. Mean strangers on the internet being to blame for Brexit. The Marxist international money markets being to blame for Liz Truss's disastrous economic event. The BBC. The Civil Service. Feminists. Human rights courts.

No responsibility from the right themselves. Just blame and excuses. Even the overwhelming success of Donald Trump is being blamed on the left, the Democrats and even Kamala Harris personally. Did Trump and the Republicans not run a better campaign and win on their merits?

What has happened to the right?

Your premise is that the 'left' can literally do no wrong because it is not the right.

It's nonsense.

People vote with their feet.

People voted Labour this time round because they were not Tory. Some of those voters regret that decision.

Are you at the point that you will never hold a left wing government accountable for it's actions because it's not the right? That's a dangerous proposition.

In the USA the left has dismantled women's sports and single sex spaces and has encouraged an ideology that damages healthy bodies and appointed a Trans Activist Rachel Levine whose aim was to reduce the age for such surgeries. Are you suggesting that no one can vote with their feet against such harmful ideological policies? Because the alternative is worse?

Don't you realise that your position is authoritarian? No thank you. People have to be able to criticise both sides of the debate. People have to be able to talk about issues with the left.

Not talking about them and having those subjects banned didn't help the Democrats, did it?

OH and I'm just picking up on the fact that you think I AM the US Right.

That's fucking laughable. I'm a left leaning woman who believes in freedom of speech and that women should have rights to associate free from males and have single sex spaces. And that children should not be subject to a harmful ideology.

I can't abide the pussy grabbing Trump, he's as much of a misogynist as Biden and Harris.

2 sides, same misogyny.

Your premise is that the 'left' can literally do no wrong because it is not the right.

No it isn't.

It's nonsense.

Like the rest of your post and subsequent one where you think I believe that you are the US right.

So what actually is your point?

You have an entire thread stating that the right wing blames everyone else for them being right wing. I don't see a shred of evidence for that.

What I do see is the left wing not taking ownership of it's own authoritarian ideas which have led people to change their voting intention.

You seem very very confused.

I'm not going to engage with you any further because I have no idea at all what your point is and can see that you are not prepared to engage in a meaningful way with anyone at all who doesn't share your ideological beliefs.

I just saw it again, the Democrats are responsible for Trump. It's very infantile.

Trump is in power because the vast majority of Americans voted for him. They knew what they were voting for as this is the second time they've brought him in.

The people who voted are responsible for who they voted for.

Right. They are passing the buck with all this "the left made me do it" nonsense. Adults own their choices about politics or anything else.

So the left won because of right incompetence in the UK
But the right did not win because of left incompetence in the US

Precisely it's hypocrisy.

Blinded by an ideology.

Except nobody said that.
Nor are the right blaming Democratic incompetence, for the most part. There is some of that, and some of those points are valid, though still not a valid rationale to vote for craziness IMO. Mostly they are blaming the left for being mean by thinking they are bigots. "You made me do it because you think I'm a racist for being afraid of immigrants" and; "You made me do it because your 'wokeness' is annoying" are basically the prevailing sentiments, from what I've seen.
I mean, I find the extreme woke stuff annoying too, but I wouldn't change my values just because I was annoyed. Voting should reflect your values, what you want to see in terms of policy, not your personal resentment. Don't you agree?

Totally agree. In fact I was even boring my family about this just this last weekend! 😃Especially the personal responsibility bit!

"Wah wah! My life is shit! I see other people having a nice life! I'm going to blame foreigners/the deep state/ journalists/women/civil servants/poc etc etc. Ooh here's some hate speech random on twitter encouraging me to think I should!"

Apparently, the reason the Tories lost were because they were left wing.🤯 I'd say "you couldn't make it up" but it's clear that some have and furthermore they believe it.

Exactly. The left made me do it. A randommer on the internet made me do it.

Whatever happened to the right wing's notion of personal responsibility?

There's now the habit of blaming the left for Tory policies and behaviour. Someone on here listed a load of stuff they don't like about the left. All of it was carried out by the Tories and when I pointed this out was told to stop going on about the Tories.

I'm not sure I recognise exactly what you're saying OP, but one thing that does wind me up about the current right is what a bunch of whiny snowflakes they are. Always wanging on about being "silenced" and cancel culture etc etc, when every sodding media platform is full of them saying whatever they like.

They've got the US, they've got half of Europe (and will get the rest soon), they've got most of the media. What more do they bloody want? I wish they'd shut the fuck up and get on with showing us all how brilliant they are at running things, but instead they just whinge and pretend there are all these obstacles in the way—what, exactly?

Yes I agree

Spot on.

Trump's got all three branches of government and a hand-picked squad of genius strongmen. Can't wait to see them fix America. Lemon squeezey.

every sodding media platform is full of them saying whatever they like

Every platform apart from Mumsnet where loads of posters have received permanent bans for calling men men? Or mentioning certain paraphilias?

Yep. Don't get me started on Farage and his claims of being silenced when he was regularly invited onto normal news channels, despite not being a politician and had a daily show on a not news channel. Along with other right wingers from Reform UK, the Tory government and whatever party it was that thought Lozza Fox would make a good leader.

Wanging on about being "the silent majority". Pretending to be the most oppressed people ever.🙄

You're still here. Loads of women who say TWANW are here. I know because I'm one of them. Not only that, but when other platforms were closing that argument down, people came to Mumsnet. They still do, just recently I saw a post on FWR from someone who'd been blocked for sating it elsewhere.

I wonder what bias echoing nonsense right leaning website you got that graphic from

The Overton window has shifted rightwards since Thatcher (may she rot in hell), Tony Blair was a centrist, Gordon Brown was slightly microscopically to the right of Blair but they made no effort to bring the political discourse back towards the traditional left

Cameron shifted right not by much although the ideological cuts Osbourme made in the treasury would have you believe otherwise, Ed millbiand, allowed the political discourse to not go back leftwards the new left was where Blair had stood typically centre but now viewed by the right as left wing, then we had May, further right we went, agitated by brexit and Johnson, Corbyn attempted to bring the discourse back towards the traditional left but not particularly far left just left of centre in a social democratic fashion, but was painted as far left

Johnson then took us further right, Sunak kept it pretty much where Johnson left off, Starmer is certainly more right wing than Blair and Brown by far, perhaps not in his personal beliefs but in what he feels he can politically say, allowing Badenoch to be even further right than Johnson and yet right wing agitators and useful idiots would have you believe that Starmer is left wing and that the answer is to go even further to the right

Obviously I can’t say the things that would ban me or I would be banned. I have had posts deleted for quoting international diagnostic manuals on paraphilias. MN might have allowed more than other platforms but it is certainly still censorious.

Also you are now admitting that other platforms have been cancelling people for speaking the truth on this?

admitting? I'm stating it as fact because it is. Thon Tory fella, Crispin Blunt regularly reported women to police for saying TWANW.

In what world were the tories far right? They took public spending to the highest since the forties such that 5m people get paid not to work now and we have massive public debt which is going to bankrupt us - the interest alone is massive. They opened the borders such that in their last year net migration was 700k (when it was roughly 50k in the years up to the 2000s). Cameron said he was the heir to Blair (and he was which is why he didn't get a majority until he promised a Brexit referendum). The Tories would have been considered far left in 80s and had the sort of policies Michael Foot was putting forward (yes I remember him).

Socialism for the rich and wealthy does not in fact make it socialism, all the increased tax rates and the increased welfare spend (let's ignore that most of that goes to landlords and often wealthy pensioners) is due to the purposefully underfunded NHS and funelled towards the already wealth in various tax breaks, try and reframe clearly right wing ideological spending as left leaning all you want but anyone with any political knowledge will see it for what it is