Why does the right wing nowadays blame everyone else for them being right wing?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

Back when I was growing up and studying, one of the most important tenets of the right wing was Personal Responsibility.

Over the a very recent number of years it seems the right have ceded this, blaming centrists and the left for their failures, their successes and even for them becoming right wing at all. Labour being to blame for 14 years of Tory incompetence, including the Trans shitshow. Mean strangers on the internet being to blame for Brexit. The Marxist international money markets being to blame for Liz Truss's disastrous economic event. The BBC. The Civil Service. Feminists. Human rights courts.

No responsibility from the right themselves. Just blame and excuses. Even the overwhelming success of Donald Trump is being blamed on the left, the Democrats and even Kamala Harris personally. Did Trump and the Republicans not run a better campaign and win on their merits?

What has happened to the right?

They were really shit economically and borrowed loads of money. It doesn't make them left wing. They wouldn't have been considered far left in the 80s or any other time because the Tories have never been left wing.

That's not a very recent explanation, at least not in the US, the rhetoric that people have moved right because the left abandoned and dismissed them (usually working class people living in the middle of the US) or that the left has moved farther left and more elite, leaving people who were left then politically with the right, has been around since for decades, at least. It was used to explain W Bush's victory, to explain the growing election divide between cities and rural areas, to explain why some Midwest and Plains states went from swing/battleground states to deep Republican strongholds that they weren't in the 90s that cannot be explained by any demographic shift.

And this argument as others mentioned is largely used by people politically on the left or more centre than by people firmly on the right. This time it's being used to explain the significant shift in the Latino and Mestizo vote that went majority Republican by people who mostly aren't on the right and are a uncomfortable with the rhetoric that tries to dismiss election results as simply racism and anti-immigrant for obvious reasons.

The right is arguing that they got those vote on their own merit and arguments, that the Latino and Mestizo vote support their policies (some of which are nearly identical to what Obama did and Hilary Clinton ran with back in 2016), it's the left and centre mostly arguing that it's because the Democrats failed them, particularly Harris as border czar. The right may bring up Harris's failure there are part of why the Democrats can't be trusted - and how the Biden administration did this year admit the issue that they would somehow solve if re-elected - but pointing out the other party's failures is typical politics and isn't blaming them for the victory.

As with my above post the centre to centre right Blair started that with enabling large businesses to underpay their employees by making the state responsible for topping up inadequate pay, the Tories have removed a lot of workers ability to strike, hardly a left wing thing to do, whereas striking would have enabled workers to get a fair pay from their employers and not the state

Yes, this. At least own it!

That (tax credits) is making the state bigger though which is a left wing thing. The day tax credits came in as a policy I knew it was a bad thing as it meant taxpayer is subsidising low pay as you say and without that (and mass immigration) employers would have to pay staff more. Part of being right wing is allowing the market to decide (in this case higher wages if things were left alone).

What did they do with all that money anyway? Where did it go?

Bailing out the banks was also left wing - the people responsible should have been jailed and banks left to go to the wall (all deposits up to £85k are insured anyway so customers shouldn't have lost out).

Wasted it. As stated tax credits to subsidise employers, unemployment benefits for 5m most of whom would work if they were paid properly, massive increases in public sector workers with worsening productivity, NHS black hole, 15 million extra people in immigratiob most of whom are a net cost overall as don't earn much or pay much if any net tax as also on tax credits (but use nhs, education etc) to cover the unemployed who would be working if wages weren't so low. Subsidising high housing costs via benefits (which keeps them high). Wars etc.

Now we have the added power of 'activists' that was not there when I started voting (1960s). Other than CND.
Surely I remember that under some Tory Governments Councils were building new estates of houses with quite low rents.
Margaret Thatcher was responsible for many of the comprehensive schools. Similarly Harold Wilson kept the nuclear industry going, both civil and military. So maybe there was a more practical and a pragmatic approach to Government.
If my memory is wrong I am sure there will be someone to correct me.

💯 what @User37482 said.

Tax credits weren't a Tory thing. They could have got rid, but they didn't.

Instead they wasted money on disastrous right wing nonsense like the Windrush scandal, Brexit and Rwanda. Tory vanity projects that cost the UK dear.

How are tax credits not right wing? They work in favour of businesses by keeping wages low as does cheap imported labour.

The Republicans aren't "blaming" anyone for winning, they are very happy with the outcome and believe they did it on their own merits.

It's the saner parts of the left pointing out the democrat failings. The less sane parts are doing what Labour did in 2019 and blaming the electorate.

Right wingers are not "blaming" anyone for their political affiliation but former Labour voters are blaming Labour for ditching traditional Labour values and focussing on identity politics.

You claim identitarianism is a right wing ideology but don't explain why the left has embraced it so enthusiastically. Hopefully you are not going to gaslight us with a claim that the left haven't done that.

You post on politics regularly but apart from criticising right wing politics you have little to say about why the left are better apart from vague claims about them being better for women, committed to equality and better for the less well off, you offer no specifics.

I can't understand how you could watch Starmer attack the Tories for proposing to cut the winter fuel allowance, then do exactly that when his party formed a government and not realise we just have a neoliberal uniparty. Westminster is just theater.

You dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with you as a right winger so for the record I've never voted conservative and I'm not pissed off with them, that would be like picking up a box labelled pepperoni pizza and being angry to find a pepperoni pizza in side.

Maybe you haven't seen it, but it is happening. And I'm not the only one who's noticed. Something has happened to the right whereby they blame everyone else for stuff they've done, adopted a victim mentality and have become right whingers.

I tell you what else I've noticed they invariably voted left, often staunchly, yet absolutely none of their beliefs are left wing.

Me too. Do you think they might be trying to gaslight people?

So for anyone interested, this is Identerianism. What exactly do you think is left wing about it @FOJN?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarianmovement#:~:text=The%20Identitarian%20movement%20or%20Identitarianism,Western%20culture%20and%20territories%20exclusively.

In my opinion it is gaslighting. I've heard the expression far left fascism quite a lot recently and when you point out that fascism is a far right ideology, they say that words don't have meaning anymore.

Some people feel very uncomfortable when their views are associated with the far right.

No, it’s not happening. The pp is right.

Your personal preferences and assumptions are not fact.

The whole premise of your thread is made up.

It depends who you perceive to be far right. I vote Reform UK. I don't think I'm 'far right' but some people think if I vote Reform I must be far right.

Of course it's happening. I've given examples on this thread. Other posters have added their examples and some others have been examples.

@username7891

I've heard the expression far left fascism quite a lot recently and when you point out that fascism is a far right ideology, they say that words don't have meaning anymore.

Yep. Some people were trying exactly that in a thread about fascism recently.

Are you saying we have imagined it?
Your personal presumptions aren't fact either. Obviously it's a matter of opinion as to what is whining and blaming others and what is not. You don't share the same perception, which is fine, but your POV isn't more inherently valid than anyone else's.

You were on the same thread as me. I was laughably asked why I was talking about Marx when talking about the far left.

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Do you think it's that the right whingers just don't understand politics, history or even language anymore?