Why does the right wing nowadays blame everyone else for them being right wing?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

Back when I was growing up and studying, one of the most important tenets of the right wing was Personal Responsibility.

Over the a very recent number of years it seems the right have ceded this, blaming centrists and the left for their failures, their successes and even for them becoming right wing at all. Labour being to blame for 14 years of Tory incompetence, including the Trans shitshow. Mean strangers on the internet being to blame for Brexit. The Marxist international money markets being to blame for Liz Truss's disastrous economic event. The BBC. The Civil Service. Feminists. Human rights courts.

No responsibility from the right themselves. Just blame and excuses. Even the overwhelming success of Donald Trump is being blamed on the left, the Democrats and even Kamala Harris personally. Did Trump and the Republicans not run a better campaign and win on their merits?

What has happened to the right?

I’ve heard it from across the political spectrum! From right wing people to “centrists” (who are usually right wing in all honesty) to some left leaning people.

Ultimately it all hinges on housing. In 1990 you could be right or left wing and it meant your beliefs/ideals. You could be socialist or conservative with a small s/c.

Now we see, basically a revert back to almost Victorian Britain/1890s US where some people live rent/mortgage free, others are paying £2000 per month until they’re 70 and some live with 5 other people and will never be able to afford a house.

That makes a massive difference as to how you think and where your disposable cash goes (or doesn’t go). And whether or not you are on paper a millionaire with no disposable cash or not.

When most people had their needs met (according to Maslow), politics was just an interest. Now many people’s needs are not being met (housing, food, warmth). It will get nasty

The last government (Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak) were not right wing. Hence why their usual voters abandoned them this year and the current gov got in.

What were they?

Left of centre

Interesting. I assume Starmer is far left and Badenoch is centre right?

To be fair, if the gov extinguished my mortgage I’d probably be rather happy. But then I wouldn’t bother working to pay 47% marginal rate of income tax and NI. It would be an own goal by the gov.

I haven’t thought about those two individuals before. Could you please explain your thinking on that assumption so I can ponder your question fully? Appreciate the debate and your thoughts, am not being one sided. Genuinely interested to understand all points of view in order to learn about as many people’s thoughts.

I'm quite left wing and don't view Starmer as very left at all. He has a few left wing policies but to me, he's more of a Tory.

The politicians you mentioned are all pretty neo liberal typical Tories. IMO politics has been shifting to the right for a long time, dragged further right by people like Farage.

The PMs you mentioned haven't implemented any typical left wing policies and the marginalised are a lot worse off. In fact millions of people are using foodbanks and we have a huge number of children in poverty.

What they have achieved is a chasm in wealth disparity. They looked after their own which is Tory ethos. Badenoch is a shift further to the right in order to reign in Reform voters, she's hard right.

However I'm assuming that you are quite hard right yourself if you see previous PMs as left wing, and Badenoch will be right of centre.

Ah "science". Science, science, science. The answer and explanation to everyone. Follow the science everyone 🙄🙄🙄

Thank you for replying.

I was brought up to believe that no one was going to look after me. Not my parents or the state. So if I wanted a roof over my head and to eat I had to get a ‘good’ job or start a successful business. (Tried the latter twice and failed twice).

Twice when I have been financially on my knees the state did not support despite many years of paying into it.

Like many I live in a constant state of fear of losing my job and there being no support.

Not sure if that makes me hard right.

😆

Of course it is the left wing’s ‘fault’ for the right being right wing. You can only be right relative to the left, without the left you just are.

Then there is this:

It doesn't mean you're hard right. It's your attitude towards other people who are struggling that reveals that. Are you opposed to a social safety net, assuming that everyone is just as able to work as you are? Are you opposed to labour laws which protect us from predatory employers? Are you resentful towards unionized workers and do you think labour unions are inherently corrupt and unnecessary? Do you believe in trickle down economics?
The answers to those questions will tell you how right wing you are.

There's been a lot of soul searching this week by the Democrats.

They have to admit that they have made election mistakes and they have made an offering that has lost them some of their voter base.

Why when Abortion was ran as the key women's rights issue did a whole load of women who normally vote democrat decline to vote?

I'd hazard a guess it's the same reason that a lot of women in the UK wouldn't vote for Starmer.

Women's rights to single sex spaces and sports are not a right wing belief. Yet the Left has abandoned women in favour of giving males additional privileges, on the basis of the 'identity' of those males.

I'd suggest looking at this research done from a democratic view point -

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

The results paint a clear picture: Democrats were punished for inflation, misalignment on immigration and cultural issues, and Biden. The top three reasons not to vote for Harris were:

1. “Inflation was too high under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+24)
2. “Too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+23)
3. “Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class” (+17).

Also listen to TRIP. Even the die hard 'left wing' commentators are accepting that the Democrats have to reflect and perhaps review the way they run an election campaign.

I'm sorry to hear you didn't receive the help you needed, that's disappointing to hear. I assume you were turned down for benefits or they weren't enough which is unsurprising as they're pretty insubstantial now.

Welcome to the thread, Mr Gove.

And as for 'what happened to the Right' Well they capitalised on the poor political decisions of the Democrats.

They left an open goal.

In all honesty it was more business or mindset support that I needed. They don’t teach it in schools. I firmly believe that if I had been able to find a great mentor then I wouldn’t have fallen on such torrid financial times. The education system didn’t give me resilience and I would love to learn how others have acquired such an amazing skill.

Am enjoying and am grateful for our mini chat in this thread, it’s great to read your observations, so thank you for replying again.

No problem.

They weren't left wing or centrist.

Austerity, isolationism, radical free market proponents, with a heavy bias towards men, they were very much right wing. It shows how far the Overton window has shifted to the right that you think otherwise.

It makes you lucky surely. And hard right.

Maybe you have managed to change the course of your life out of poverty. Or you have been lucky and aren't living in abject poverty. Maybe that is because you are lucky because you are intelligent, or had some support from friends or get a job.
And on top that your health is OK and your partner didn't die it your parents never gave you any support oil partner wasn't violent. So many things that made it better.

Well said 👏

Thanks for the example @lifeturnsonadime. Why are the US right blaming the Democrats for their success? Did they not win on their own merits?

Just like UK right whingers blame Labour for all the fuckwittery of 14 years of right wing governance under the Tories.

What happened to taking responsibility. Why do right wingers nowadays, blame others for them being right wing?

Interesting point - I feel you might be right😉I don't know why this has happened though.