Liam Payne - three men arrested

[Sandygoldenbeaches]

Three men have been arrested in connection with Liam Paynes death.

One was a hotel worker, one was a drug dealer.

It seems they arrested the third man for abandoning Liam Payne, who subsequently died.

Interesting.

At least they are taking the investigation seriously anyway.

What's your thoughts?

My thoughts are that his death need not have happened. When I first heard the news, I assumed he had died by suicide due to his poor mental health. Now it appears to have been a tragic accident, and if someone had stayed with him, he might still be with us. I'm glad the person who supplied him with the drugs has been arrested. I hope his family get some comfort from the news, although at this stage, their grief must be so raw, nothing will ease the pain.

It's interesting that they arrested a person for abandoning him, when he subsequently died.

No one could have known that he was going to die.

The receptionist rang for an ambulance.

Maybe they are saying that the hotel staff should have stayed with him if he was in a bad state.

But I know that from hotels I've stayed in, they usually just protect your privacy even if you're really drunk/messed up. They won't come into the room

He had a friend/personal assistant/manager staying there with him. Rodrigo something or another. I wonder if he is the person charged with abandonment? I can't imagine ever leaving a friend alone in the state Liam apparently was. I have a friend who is a messy drunk, and despite that, we all look after her, when she, once again, drinks too much and collapses in a vomiting, incontinent heap. We all know her alcohol use is out of control, and are actively trying to get her the help she needs.

It says online now that Rodrigo has spoken out and said that it is not him that was arrested for abandonment.

Was it not supplying him with drugs and abandoning him? They said it was someone he'd been with everyday so not a hotel worker, presumably the man he'd been with

I don't know.

I guess one possibility is if he was in as bad a state as people said he was.

Like Having a fit and being out of it in reception, then maybe the police could say that the hotel staff had a duty of care to stay with him.

Can it be true that one can be held responsible for the actions of another person? Hard to believe.

What are you talking about there Ella?

Even in a secure hospital or prison unit it’s impossible to secure the safety of an out of control aggressive intoxicated person.

I don't know and can only speculate.

But I think if he was as bad as having fits in reception, and they put him up in the room by himself, they could then charge someone with abandonment

The drug supply side, you can’t ‘abandon’ an adult

What crime does 'abandoning' come under?

Fair if true

Drug dealers are scum and deserve whatever they have coming. But he was an adult who chose to indulge in drugs and alcohol, and, according to reports, was acting in so a violent manner that hotel staff had to call emergency services. I don't see that hotel staff nor anyone else should be held accountable for the choices he made. If someone was acting in that manner around me, I wouldn't take the risk of staying with them either.

We don't have this law here do we?

I had to stop someone jumping from a bridge once they had walked out of a mental hospital.

Would they have been liable?

Yes i understsnd what youre saying.

but in that case, they wouldn't put the person in prison or hospital - in a very high room with a balcony.

I think the sticking point here is that guests say that they saw liam have a fit/seizure in the reception area

If staff saw that they should have stayed with him and called an ambulance. Rather than make him go back to his room alone.

They did at least call an ambulance. But they put him back in his room by himself

@Sandygoldenbeaches
That makes sense. Would people be arrested here though? Maybe people would.

Suppose we can't leave the scene of an accident.

Argentine Penal Code, modified in 1994:

Article 106 of the Criminal Code shall be substituted by the following:

"Article 106. - Anyone who endangers the life or health of another, either placing him in a situation of helplessness, or abandoning to his fate a person incapable of supporting himself and whom he must maintain or care for or whom the perpetrator himself has incapacitated, shall be punished with imprisonment of 2 to 6 years.

The penalty will be imprisonment or imprisonment of 3 to 10 years, if as a result of the abandonment results in serious damage to the body or health of the victim.

If death occurs, the penalty will be 5 to 15 years of imprisonment or imprisonment."

https://servicios.infoleg.gob.ar/infolegInternet/anexos/0-4999/791/norma.htm

I suspect the bolded is the relevant part.

The police definitetly dont like you leaving places.

When I was much younger and had just started driving, I slightly tipped a parked car when coming out of an underground car back. I genuinely thought I hadn't scratched it and went off on my way. With hindsight I should have got out and checked everything.

Apparently I'd left a scratch. I had a policewoman coming to my door later that week. Theyd got my details from cctv. She said that I could be arrested for leaving the scene of a crash!

It had been a parked car with no one in it. It was so stressful. I hadn't realised that was something that I could be arrested for. Leaving the scene after minorly scaping a car. But I know now! It was a big lesson for me

Eventually she calmed down and said that if I paid to fix the scratch, that would be the end of it , which I did pay for.

Yeah the police can definitely charge you for leaving a scene. Especially If someone's life is in danger

Possibly corporate manslaughter against the hotel but not really sure a hotel has a duty of care for safety 🤷🏻‍♀️ abandonment itself isn't a criminal offence is it

Yes it is a criminal offence if the persons life is in danger.

For example if a man is overdosing in a hotel lobby and having seizures on the floor,

And you pick him up and put him in his room, and don't seek immediate medical help,

You have committed a crime there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

I could be wrong but I think maybe the Duty To Rescue Law (similar to the Good Samaritan Law) could be being applied here?

I used to work in a custody setting and I never knew that, learn something new every day 😁

Would there be this many people being held accountable if this was a normal non famous person?
They absolutely SHOULD be held accountable in their part in Liam's death.