Liam Payne - three men arrested

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Three men have been arrested in connection with Liam Paynes death.

One was a hotel worker, one was a drug dealer.

It seems they arrested the third man for abandoning Liam Payne, who subsequently died.

Interesting.

At least they are taking the investigation seriously anyway.

What's your thoughts?

It’s specific to the Argentine legal code, which isn’t based on British Common Law.

Generally, in countries that practice common law, there isn’t a legal duty to come to the rescue of someone else.

How many people will have died or become injured as a result of buying and using drugs and their deaths recorded as misadventure etc and little to no investigation made in tracing who supplies the drugs?

When it's a celebrity death though they go all out to find the suppliers and dealers.

I think they would more charge companies and businesses, as they have some responsibility for the person's safety and wellbeing while they are there.

For example if a man was in a restaurant by himself and had a heart attack and the restaurant staff left him went back to the kitchen and didn't call an ambulance for thirty minutes. They would be charged with abandonment leading to death

Ach this is all so wretched and sad. RIP Liam.

When you are so famous and successful, to end up surrounded by all the wrong types of people.

It must take self-discipline and determination of the highest order to live purposefully once you may never be more successful than you have already been at twenty-two.

I wish he could have had his family around him. You need someone who has your best interests at heart acting as a barrier between you and the leeches.

If you're a business though, you have a repsonisbilty for people's wellbeing and safety.

So say if a teenager did the go ape tree outdoor circuit in the UK (where you climb a circuit through trees)
had a heart attack and the go ape company failed to call an ambulance for an hour or whatever, I'm sure they would be charged with leaving an accident/causing death

@Maidsamilkimg777 he did have a loving family. Parents and two sisters. He moved away to America and they live in the uk as does his son.

He made his own bed and his own choices. Sadly for him they were not good choices.

When you are young and have fame and fortune and can click your fingers and have anything brought to you it makes you vulnerable to believing that people are not genuine and only like you for your fame and fortune and you can feel isolated even though you are surrounded by people.

The flip side is at times you will feel incredibly arrogant and believe all the hype and the yes men and women that surround you. You behave badly believing that you are untouchable.

Robbie Williams is a prime example and finding stability with his wife and children has turned his life around.

Liam had t found that stability and was spiralling out of control.

This all seems ridiculous. He made his choices. Arresting 3, for what exactly? Like @TallulahBetty I'm asking : "What crime does 'abandoning' come under?". How is any of things going to stick, be prosecuted. It won't. What a load of nonsense, surely?

Youre not allowed under law to abandon someone who's life is at severe risk.

They're also charging the drug dealer.

Drug dealing is a crime everywhere!

"They did at least call an ambulance. But they put him back in his room by himself"

So an ambulance was called? So it's not hotel staff fault. Why all the blame searching. Next onto the ambulance paramedics to blame?

Who abandoned him?

I remember my 18th birthday when everyone was buying me drinks and I ended up slumped in a nightclub toilet covered in sick and passed out. I can vaguely remember getting carried out by a doorman and being placed outside the club and that was it. I was left in the incapable hands of an intoxicated friend…. Some how I put in a taxi and got home. This will happen up and down the country every weekend. I wonder if the establishments are accountable if anything happens? Such as if someone is so drunk they get knocked over by a car.

Because they put him in a room by himself when he was having fits.

I can see from the hotel staff's point of view that they maybe didn't know what to do,

And also they were maybe scared to be with him, as they wouldn't want to be alone with someone who is having fits

in case he died, then they would have gotten blamed for it.

They also may not have gotten permission from management to leave their desk and stay with him. They could have gotten in trouble with management for leaving the desk and staying with him

But they should have had a better procedure in place.

If he was extremely ill and obviously having fits, someone should have stayed with him till an ambulance came

Do we know that the person charged with abandonment is the hotel worker?

In the UK they could be charged for failing to act according to their contractual duty. They would also be vulnerable to civil prosecution for negligence. Let’s say someone not affiliated with go ape saw this happen and just carried on walking by though - that wouldn’t be a crime, because there is no legal duty for that person to render aid.

All i’m actually saying is that Argentina and Britain have different legal systems, and what is a crime in one isn’t necessarily going to be a crime in another.

Yes, I'm not saying he didn't have choices, but to become so famous so quickly in your formative years is bound to have a profound affect on your character, and rarely in a positive way. This is something that is known and has been demonstrated time and time again. Record company executives and management companies rake in the money at the expense of the young performers psychological wellbeing.

"Do we know that the person charged with abandonment was a hotel worker."

No the reports are a bit vague in who has been charged with what.

It may not have been a hotel worker who was charged with the specific abandonment charge.

It just says that a hotel worker is one of three people that have been charged. One of the others charged is a man that was accompanying Liam.

Reports are still a bit vague. I guess we'll get more information later on

A bit harsh to arrest someone for 'abandoning' a grown adult who made the choice to get so drunk or high on something. Why is it someone else's responsibility to stay with them!

This says that the hotel worker is charged with supplying drugs, not abandonment. It is whoever his minder was who's charged with abandonment. (From the mirror)

"The first of the accused is the person who accompanied the artist on a daily basis during his stay in the city of Buenos Aires, who is charged with the crimes of abandonment of a person followed by death - contemplated in article 106 of the Penal Code and which provides for a prison sentence of 5 to 15 years -, as perpetrator, in ideal concurrence with the supply and facilitation of narcotics (art. 5 inc. e) of Law 23.737 on Narcotics).
"The second defendant is an employee of the hotel who is charged with two proven supplies of cocaine to Liam Payne during the period he was at the hotel, and the third, also a supplier of narcotics, is charged with two other clearly proven supplies at two different times on 14 October. Both were charged with the offence of supplying narcotics, two acts each (art. 5 inc. e) of Law 23.737).

In some countries you can, I seem to remember someone in France? being prosecuted for letting someone leave their house drunk, drive away, and have a serious accident.

Oh well done on finding that. That's much more clear than the reports I saw online.

So it's not the hotel worker who's been charged with abandonment.

It was Liam's companion.

Hotel workers shouldn’t be held responsible for twats who take drugs! We’re not their parents; they make stupid choices and get stupid prizes. No hotel worker gets paid enough for that crap.

@sandandsea123 The hotel worker has been charged for giving Liam the drugs.

He wasn't just a hotel worker. He gave liam the drugs.

They’re being held responsible for supplying the drugs.

I think the sticking point here is that guests say that they saw liam have a fit/seizure in the reception area

If staff saw that they should have stayed with him and called an ambulance. Rather than make him go back to his room alone

But the call to the police said he was smashing up his room, didn't it? So it's not really reasonable to expect staff to stay with a violent guest.

Yes from later reports it is now clear that it is not the hotel worker that was charged with abandonment.

It just says that it was someone that was accompanying Liam, that was charged with abandonment.