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Pudding or Dessert - which one is 'posher'?

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WhichOneIsPosher · 05/11/2024 20:10

Sitting watching Bake Off with DH and Alison Hammond has commented in a joking way to Paul Hollywood that he calls dessert 'pudding' instead. DH and I have been debating on whether the word dessert is posher than pudding. What's your thoughts on this vital topic of discussion??

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Penguintimes · 05/11/2024 20:21

Pudding is posher.
In the past people who weren’t really posh started using French-sounding words like dessert, serviette, settee (instead of plain, straightforward English words like pudding, napkin, sofa) in an attempt to sound more upperclass. Posh people didn't do that because it was pretentious - and they didn’t need to try and seem upperclass; they already were.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/11/2024 20:22

coxesorangepippin · 05/11/2024 20:17

Yes- even puddings have class signifiers apparently.)

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What would a working class pudding be? Roly poly?? Or banoffee pie, etc

Anything shop bought: especially gateux, profiteroles etc. The upper classes have something home made and unfancy so fruit crumble, goosberry fool, maybe an apple pie and of course eton mess.

FloatyBoaty · 05/11/2024 20:22

I’m very very working class but have found myself in “Nancy Mitford posh” circles now and again- and always felt more at home than with middle class peers. I consider the reasons for this best summed up by the shared use of the word “pudding”.

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Scrimt · 05/11/2024 20:22

I have a fondness for 'afters' as it used to rile my dad so much when I said it.

comfortablynumber · 05/11/2024 20:23

coxesorangepippin · 05/11/2024 20:17

Yes- even puddings have class signifiers apparently.)

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What would a working class pudding be? Roly poly?? Or banoffee pie, etc

I think things have evolved. These days suety puddings, crumbles, pies are (or can be) posh, although should be home made or from a nicer supermarket. Think tastier versions of boarding school puddings.
Working class puddings now are shop bought- things that come in rings from Iceland, Vianettas etc. In my grandparents day a WC it was things like rice pudding with skin...

Beardedclams · 05/11/2024 20:24

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CroysantNotKwason · 05/11/2024 20:25
Hmm
BathTangle · 05/11/2024 20:26

@Terrribletwos this bit from Wikipedia explains:
U and non-U English usage, where "U" stands for upper class and "non-U" represents the aspiring middle and lower classes, was part of the terminology of popular discourse of social dialects (sociolects) in Britain in the 1950s.[1] The different vocabularies can often appear quite counter-intuitive: the middle classes prefer "fancy" or fashionable words, even neologisms and often euphemisms, in attempts to make themselves sound more refined ("posher than posh"), while the upper classes in many cases stick to the same plain and traditional words that the working classes also use, as, confident in the security of their social position, they have no need to seek to display refinement.[2]

Upper class - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_class

Scrimt · 05/11/2024 20:26

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/11/2024 20:22

Anything shop bought: especially gateux, profiteroles etc. The upper classes have something home made and unfancy so fruit crumble, goosberry fool, maybe an apple pie and of course eton mess.

But if you want to be Parisian chic you'd buy something delicious from an expensive patisserie.

All things considered, the British upper classes are an unsexy lot, so I think I'd rather be Parisian chic.

Terrribletwos · 05/11/2024 20:28

Neurodiversitydoctor · 05/11/2024 20:22

Anything shop bought: especially gateux, profiteroles etc. The upper classes have something home made and unfancy so fruit crumble, goosberry fool, maybe an apple pie and of course eton mess.

Lol. I make all these. Just made apple crumble. My mum makes Eton mess, apple pie, apple Charlotte, bread and butter pudding, gooseberry pie and, of course, millle fuille. She's from highland farming stock.

Onlyvisiting · 05/11/2024 20:29

WhichOneIsPosher · 05/11/2024 20:10

Sitting watching Bake Off with DH and Alison Hammond has commented in a joking way to Paul Hollywood that he calls dessert 'pudding' instead. DH and I have been debating on whether the word dessert is posher than pudding. What's your thoughts on this vital topic of discussion??

Dessert.
Because I grew up rural farming country and it was always pudding.
However I also associate pudding with very upper class toffs so maybe it's just pudding is very English and dessert is more multi cultural?
Farming dad also had breakfast, dinner and tea.
I grew up confused with parents from different backgrounds and have breakfast, lunch and tea/dinner depending on mood.
But both sides did pudding.........

Blimeor · 05/11/2024 20:29

Well I'm so common I didn't even know what U and non- U meant

Thanks @BathTangle !

Beardedclams · 05/11/2024 20:30

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TheRutshireWI · 05/11/2024 20:31

Pudding is the correct word. See also what, loo, napkin...

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LuluBlakey1 · 05/11/2024 20:34

Pudding- very public school.
Dessert- French fake poshness that falls flat, like serviette.

mathanxiety · 05/11/2024 20:35

Pudding is old money.
Dessert is nouveau riche.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/11/2024 20:35

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Rape humour? ODFOD.

TheRutshireWI · 05/11/2024 20:36

Don't mind bog, khazi or shitter but never ever serviette 😱 @Beardedclams

Scrimt · 05/11/2024 20:38

when in a restaurant would you ask for a 'pudding menu'?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/11/2024 20:38

Pudding is posher.

Dessert is what Hyacinth Bucket would call it. See also napkin vs serviette and loo/lavatory vs toilet.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 05/11/2024 20:41

Thewalrusandthecarpenter · 05/11/2024 20:20

Definitely pudding. Dessert is akin to serviette.

Exactly.

I'm an ex chef. Chefs say 'Pudding'

BookishType · 05/11/2024 20:43

Pudding.

Dessert belongs in Pardonia along with toilet, serviette and lounge. And pardon, obvs.

LuluBlakey1 · 05/11/2024 20:44

Ketchup not sauce.

gcsedilemma · 05/11/2024 20:44

Strictly speaking desert is the fruit and nuts course.

Pudding definitely posher